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mitigatedchaos

Anonymous asked:

Social Democracy With American Characteristics probably ends up looking a lot like Cali does now, and by all accounts that's not a very pretty sight. Americans are just too bad at governing (and budget management especially) for it to go any way but slow death. Still better than full communism though I guess.

mitigatedextras answered:

I don’t disagree.

Thus why Full Communism was described implicitly as having a (much) high(er) risk of “exploding and killing everyone.”

The Communists, Socialists, and Social Democrats lack the necessary organizational science and political will to successfully implement the hypothetical post-capitalist society they want, and the necessary cluefulness to overcome ideological blinding and make the necessary ideological sacrifices to achieve and maintain it.

Most of them don’t even seem to have the concept of organizational structuring/mechanisms as a form of technology which must be researched and developed (including with competing experimentation), despite all the rhetoric about how the mechanics of Capitalism drive human action.  

mitigatedchaos

It’s being pointed out to me that the Soviet Union did do some experimentation of this kind, and that Socialism has had the built-in idea of “we don’t know what Socialism will look like”.  

This didn’t occur to me largely because I have only ever seen “we don’t know what Socialism will look like” used as an excuse not to do any planning against well-known failure modes of Socialism/Communism.  (I wouldn’t apply the same level of scrutiny to Social Democracy, as Europe exists and has problems but those problems generally don’t involve massive purges and so on.  I just think those attempting it in America will screw it up.)

There was further criticism about “how do you actually do this? because politics,” which is of course reasonable, because politics.  But I’m one person, rather than an organization.  I do have some ideas on this, however.

Source: mitigatedextras politics the red hammer follow up
mitigatedchaos

Anonymous asked:

Social Democracy With American Characteristics probably ends up looking a lot like Cali does now, and by all accounts that's not a very pretty sight. Americans are just too bad at governing (and budget management especially) for it to go any way but slow death. Still better than full communism though I guess.

mitigatedextras answered:

I don’t disagree.

Thus why Full Communism was described implicitly as having a (much) high(er) risk of “exploding and killing everyone.”

The Communists, Socialists, and Social Democrats lack the necessary organizational science and political will to successfully implement the hypothetical post-capitalist society they want, and the necessary cluefulness to overcome ideological blinding and make the necessary ideological sacrifices to achieve and maintain it.

Most of them don’t even seem to have the concept of organizational structuring/mechanisms as a form of technology which must be researched and developed (including with competing experimentation), despite all the rhetoric about how the mechanics of Capitalism drive human action.  

mitigatedchaos

@collapsedsquid:  Have you ever done a mirror test?

Look m8, that’s just what I’ve encountered in the wild outside the weeded gardens of Rationalist Tumblr and other places.

The Communists and the like I know in real life are all excited about mass immigration, can’t connect it to housing prices for some reason, want to abolish gender roles but don’t have a backup plan if that completely trainfucks the birthrates, and on and on.  And Social Justice?  Aside from a handful of them, that’s their thing.

A clever plot like “let’s use those quasi-automated investment funds to slowly shift to dominant social ownership of the economy” (even though we should guess that eventually that’s going to reach margins and quit working, but still) is not something I see in practice.

In practice, I see a lot of takes like “rich people are responsible for messing up the housing market by building rich people houses! we should confiscate the empty ones! …what are zoning laws?” or “we need to reintroduce rent control”.


And if you mean “you lack the required abilities to enter power,” well, duh.


One of the things about Capitalism is that it’s cruel, but it can sorta keep chugging along even if you don’t really know what you’re doing.  The threshold of competence for successfully implementing it is a bit lower.

mitigatedchaos

To clarify, I’m talking about America, here.

I agree with the anon that they will screw it up.

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Gun Confiscation Compromise Proposals

thathopeyetlives

1. Guns are indeed totally banned. Swords are now completely legal, and are normalized to the point that if many private-public places want to prohibit them (and don’t have excellent security plus lockers for you to use) they would be considered the weird ones. 

2. Eliminationist gun buyback program, at the actual market value, which starts off fairly low and eventually rises towards “have me set up to be a rich man for life” as supply falls below demand and fewer and fewer people are willing to give up assets they know they would never be legally allowed to replace. 

3. Guns are indeed totally banned for ordinary people. Everybody now is allowed to hire armed private security with special licensing and regulation – people with said armed private security licences make up around 20 percent of the population, with a pretty even cross section between race, class, etc. 

(one of the biggest talking points in the gun lobby is the hypocrisy of politicians who are protected by security, though I suspect that they overestimate how heavy security for politicians below the level of the President is.)

mitigatedchaos

4. The federal government forms the American Home Guard.  All gun owners are required to be members in good standing of this national militia, which can be called on in the event of either natural disaster or the invasion of the American homeland.  After an initial training period of six weeks and clearance for membership, there is one week of follow-up training each year with a payment of $500-800 as compensation.  Membership status must be renewed each year.  Guns may be owned and traded, but not in unsupervised personal possession (thus at gun storage facilities) if no valid membership is held.

Various things, including crimes, can disqualify future membership in the Home Guard.  Members receive a card that they can carry with them for law enforcement to see when inspecting guns, each year.

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." 

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zelsbels:
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“ When Sherry Johnson was eleven, she found one day that she’s gonna marry a 20-year-old member of her church who had raped her. She became pregnant and in order to avoid investigation and criminal case, her family...
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When Sherry Johnson was eleven, she found one day that she’s gonna marry a 20-year-old member of her church who had raped her. She became pregnant and in order to avoid investigation and criminal case, her family and church officials decided to make the girl a legal wife of this monster.

“My mom asked me if I wanted to get married, and I said, ‘I don’t know, what is marriage, how do I act like a wife?’” Johnson remembers today, many years later. “She said, ‘Well, I guess you’re just going to get married.’” 

However, her case is one of thousand cases of child marriage. According to statistics, children 16 and under are still being married in Florida at a rate of one every few days.

Johnson and her family also attended a conservative Pentecostal church and that other girls of a similar age periodically also married. One girl said when she was 10 she was raped by both a minister and a parishioner and later gave birth to a daughter. There were all documents confirming her and her child’s age, but still, the judge approved the marriage to end the rape investigation, telling her, “What we want is for you to get married.”

And nevertheless, America prefers to interfere in other countries’ internal affairs, like in Syria, calling it “defending freedom” rather than to change states’ laws and to protect American children from rape, coercion and molestation. 

Today, Johnson is campaigning for a state law to stop underage marriage that has already become a norm in some states.

Please, help me to raise awareness to this issue. No one can remain indifferent to the problem of child molestation. 

#StopChildMarriage  #StopChildAbuse

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source, btw

mitigatedchaos

A mutual talked about how some guy wandered into his thread and attempted to start a debate about religion.

As long as religion is used for things like this, of course dudes are going to wander into threads to start arguments over it.

Anyhow, this needs to be made illegal.

Source: The New York Times politics gendpol

I still haven’t really discussed cultural transmission and the role of national mythology as much as I probably should.

I keep meaning to make a post about cultural transmission and assimilation but I hesitate because I don’t want to bother making the visual aids that I want to go along with it.

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Ideological Spread with Nationalist Characteristics

I was half-joking when I suggested that I’d use the statue controversy to remark on how to carry out an imperialistic foreign policy.

But I was half-serious as well.


Nationalism is one of the main drivers of imperialist foreign policy, but it is also one of the primary forms of opposition to the same.

Consider, however, an Empire with a different plan - it wants to spread not its people, nor, per se, its culture, but its ideology.  (It may not even consider itself an Empire.)

The thing to do with Nationalist sentiments in other countries, then, is to merge and entangle them with the ideology to be installed (or rather, instilled).  For each country, an adapted version of your ideology, fit more closely to the local needs and patterns.  Not all countries need to be exactly the same.  This allows you to deflect some of the popular will away from direct opposition to your imposed form of government.

This is actually part of why Democracy has had what success it has in its acts of imperialism.  (And yes, Democracy as an ideology has a bit of a habit of imperialism, though a lot of that has been driven by America.)

How to interweave them?

Take elements of the local culture that are aesthetic or which are not in opposition to your ideology, and make them official and protected.  (For instance, you probably want people to be timely, so if being chronically late is one of the local things, you need to get rid of that.  On the other hand, architectural style can generally vary without crushing the GDP.)  Pick various writers, historical works, and so on.  Tie your ideology into the history of the region, as part of its self-narrative.  Elevate local historical thinkers that can be described as proto-your-ideology.  Build statues of locals that exemplify the positive qualities you want your ideology to represent.

You must create a new national mythology as a legitimization for the new government.

Over time, if executed well, your transplanted ideology will become part of the socially legitimized history of the country and thus gain the protection that affords.

In the meantime, most countries you could conceivably do this in are going to be relatively underdeveloped.  Take advantage of the physical security you can manage to impose in order to pursue a long-term program of development.  

Borrow a page from Milton Keynes and have the price of the development paid for by speculating on the values of the land to be developed.  If you don’t drop the ball on this, the country is going to undergo a 7-10% annual rate of economic growth for some years.  Investors would normally be skittish due to concerns about corruption and physical security, but you have the power to calm those risks.

The development doesn’t have to take place across the whole country, but a critical mass is needed so that future development will be self-propelling, and local talent must be trained (in your universities) so that it can continue to operate in the future.


Now I know this sounds incredibly expensive, and of course it is, but the goal here is to turn those countries permanently to your ideology and increase your ideology’s share of total global resource output - and that is, in itself, very valuable.  

(Also, your pension funds can ride that 7-10% annual growth as your corporations are able to buy up assets at low prices.)

It also requires a great deal of political will.  Will that, in Afghanistan and Iraq, America did not have.  

The simultaneous cowardice, foolhardiness, and ignorance of the American political establishment and voters made for a military campaign that was not only highly aggressive, but failed to accomplish all that much for all the blood it spilled.

Something more ideologically imperialistic that sought to convert Iraq and Afghanistan into true, developed democracies, with all the basic underpinnings that required, would have been better.  Alternatively, not going at all would have many advantages.  Instead we get the worst of both worlds - a willingness to invade without a willingness to see a conversion through to the end, fueled by the naive belief that liberal democracy is the natural state of humanity and will flourish in all soils if it is simply unleashed.


There are, of course, far crueler ways to expand dominion if one has different goals.  I will not go over them here.  The age of such empires is over, now, and for the better.

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discoursedrome
discoursedrome

The Canadian experience is that it’s very hard to care about Columbus discourse but you still see almost as much of it you would if you were an American.

It’s an incredibly annoying topic because it transparently has nothing whatsoever to do with Columbus – the pro side just uplifts him as an avatar of American mythology, but despite their fixation on enumerating the (actual, serious) evils Columbus committed, the anti side also only cares about him in that capacity, it’s just that they propound a competing mythology where America is evil. (This is a far more accurate mythology, but that owes less to the wisdom of the American left than the fact that classifying any large, powerful nation as evil has a fantastic ROC curve.) Not even the people whose ancestors were killed by Columbus care about Columbus specifically! He’s a stand-in for genocidal American colonialism on the whole.

Anyway, this is bothersome because the putative issue of “let’s not honour Columbus since he sucks” is trivially solved by replacing him with a better avatar of positive American mythology. It’d be pretty easy to get bipartisan support with a good alternative! It’s not like with Washington; nobody is really that attached to the guy. However, the kind of people criticizing Columbus don’t want to do that because their actual goal is to dismantle positive American mythology entirely, so the entire thing is just this obnoxiously indirect parable about the moral worth of America staged using a Columbus hand-puppet. Just talk about America directly and stop beating around the bush! (While I disagree with their political takes more often than not, @mitigatedchaos​ had a similar comment about Lee today that was fairly on-point.)

mitigatedchaos

Oh, just wait until I tie it into how to carry out a form of expansionistic foreign policy.  You’ll regret posting this then.

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Anonymous asked:

Arguably, crime syndicates are better positioned than corporations to live up to the responsibility that their power demands. Just a question of finding a mob boss with enough loyalty to the locale.

And thus, our dear local anon suggests the establishment of Anarcho-Mafiaism.

Reactionary, or avant-garde Progressive?

We leave it to our readers to decide.

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kontextmaschine

glarthir asked:

Hey, this might sound like a stupid or facetious question, but is there really any difference between crime syndicates and "legitimate" capitalist governments? Both have been/are involved in violence, extortion, drug trafficking, etc. and neither of them are immune to corruption, or even resistant to it. Neither of these provide justice for everyone in their sphere of influence, only certain people. Am I completely off? I can't be the first to wonder about this.

quoms answered:

obviously yes there are differences, but if what you’re asking is are those differences categorical then basically no, states and mafias are (or can be) more or less divergent versions of the same type of system

i would point to scale as a significant factor here. when something is the size of most states it doesn’t make sense to run it like a mafia anymore; states that operate on the same basis of personal relationships, patronage, and rent extraction as mafias do (lacking, in effect, the professional bureaucracy and rule of law characteristic of modern states) tend not to be regarded as especially well-functioning

conversely, however, mafias tend to be very good at providing passable ‘state’ services on the local level, either in communities that have slipped through the cracks of the state or where the state has ceased to exist altogether (as in a civil war context)

kontextmaschine

I’d endorse this, my feeling is generally that a mafia is just a government that hasn’t achieved hegemony, there’s been some decent theorizing of this under Olson’s notion of governments as “stationary bandits” if you’re interested

I think debating “is this ‘government’” as a noun can get into all sorts of weird edge cases - is a “government in exile” with an intact structure that doesn’t particularly govern anything at the moment still a “government”? In a feudal situation where lords, guilds, merchant families, and a church are all understood to have the ability to extract resources and dictate social terms backed by violence by men bearing their symbols, which of these are governments?

Is a tribal council less “government” than a Westphalian state? Does the answer depend on formal mechanisms of power and succession? Does it depend on continuity across generations? Does it depend on the ability to project power beyond its boundaries? Does “government” have to correspond to “boundaries” in the first place?

But as a verb, yeah, states and mafias govern with the same tools and dynamics

mitigatedchaos

I tend to object to the question, as generally the purpose is not to achieve a clearer understanding, but as a form of objection from Anarchists who cannot adequately defend territory, hoping to undermine state power.

As such, it tends to make things less rather than more clear, in my opinion.

All holding of territory depends on the ability to wield force, as does, effectively, all property.  Anarchists tend to start arguing “the state are just glorified bandits!” in an attempt to legitimize their proposed alternatives, but their proposed alternatives either will not function (due to lack of force), or have most of the same “issues” they complain about.

The Libertarians and AnCaps have it backwards.  Property is something you implement on top of a framework of force and security, it does not precede that framework.  (I’ve seen one try to get around this by arguing absolute causal ownership of the self, but anyone with human experience should be able to tell you that’s bullshit.)

And the Anarcho-Communists are willing to use all the tools of state-like violence they claim to be against, ignore the side-effects of their policies, and so on, so long as it’s informal.  Give the power to the mob, and you haven’t eliminated the state.  You’ve just made a mob-state.

Source: quoms politics the iron hand