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Sounds perfect Wahhhh, I don’t wanna
collapsedsquid
collapsedsquid

I remain confused by this idea that “we need to take away their citizenship“ as a punishment or maybe precaution for various things.

Have they committed a crime?  Is there going to be some sort of due process?  If they have and there is, why isn’t jailing them sufficient?  What problem does this solve?

mitigatedchaos

Depends.  Whose status is being revoked?

Foreign nationals immigrating to a nation on the pretext that they are not terrorists or criminal scum prove that they lied on their immigration forms by committing crimes, thereby removing the conditions under which citizenship was offered in the first place.

What sacrifices are you willing to make to stop Rotherham?  FGM?  Acid attacks?  Turks creating a political party denying the Armenian Genocide because Erdogan told them to?

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gogomrbrown

media priorities

teaforyourginaa

??? These are both very important things I don’t understand why people act like we can’t care about more than one thing at a time. They’re important in different scales, but both are things worth caring about.

twerkcircus

Rice is a super important grain in a lot of cultures and the world running out of rice could mean that more people in those areas are going to go hungry/starve. So like yeah this is still a pretty big deal

kyuremium-z

“this important grain in a lot of cultures is running low and people in multiple countries might be affected by starvation because of this”
“but what about this one city in the united states huh? the media’s priorities are bad. uwu”

dont get me wrong i want to support Flint, Michigan but a grain that will affect multiple countries running low is more important. Stop being so America-centric please.

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jeromeg-41

Rice???? Really????? Drinking water for Flint Michigan is a shit ton more important. I care more about my own country men than other countries. Take a poll. Most would say they feel the same.

ranma-official

NB: mass starvation in a globalist culture tends to affect people in other regions

mitigatedchaos

To add on here for @jeromeg-41: Starvation leads to civil war and mass migration. Mass migration leads to exceeding the assimilatory abilities of the nation (because you can’t actually get the full political will for exclusion). That leads to trouble, as Europe is learning with child brides in Sweden and truck attacks in Germany.

It is absolutely vital that the technology-advancing capabilities of the developed nations be maintained in order to avoid civilizational collapse due to resource shortages. To that end, plus the avoiding the costs of policing and so on, a few million or tens of millions of dollars to develop a better rice or suitable alternative crop would be a justified investment. It’s better than food aid, too, as it merely preserves the existing farming capabilities of those nations rather than artificially increasing the population above what the economy there can support. Instead it increases/maintains what their economy can support.

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@ranma-official

Bad Ending: Chelsea Clinton 2020, Misogyny and Berniebros Prevented Hillary From Going to Michigan

True Ending: Emanuel/Bloomberg 2020, We didn’t learn shit my dude

Golden Ending: Jeb!

mitigatedchaos

@ranma-official: “should’ve pokemon gone to Michigan” is better​ imo

I just like the combination of noticing they’d be foolish enough to do something like running Chelsea, with the distant dream, the far timeline, beyond 1% divergence, where Jeb! manages to become the President.

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oligopsonoia

Death And Capitalism Discourse Take:

  1. I wouln’t want to live under capitalism forever.
  2. Regardless of their consciously endorsed ideologies, I don’t think most people would either; and, moreover, longer implied time horizons mean that investment in changing things would be worth it to more people.
  3. Capitalism under capitalists who don’t die makes it approach even further towards rule by vampire lords. Immortality might tempt a lot of people to think of themselves as temporarily embarassed millionaires but knowledge that they’re not will approach an asymptote.
  4. So if you abolished death tomorrrow, whether for the few or the many, I’m skeptical that it would last.
  5. The same actually applies to basically all institutions and social forms. Religion as it currently exists is clearly not built for it. Family/kinship structures, also slot into that. If you’ve read Benedict Anderson you know that the nation-state is just a giant gothy macabre death cult.
  6. Thinking about this makes me a lot more positive towards death abolition (leaving aside all concerns of feasibility etc, which are obviously separate.) This is all sort of inspired by someone very reasonably pointing out that abolishing death would, regardless of anything else, create a whole bunch of problems. But it would also create problems for our problems!
philippesaner

What’s this about nation-states being death-cults?

oligopsonoia

All states are death cults where the mana of the sovereign and his ritual connection to the land have to be renewed through showing his power to deal death, but nation-states are especially goth because nations are presented as (1) an organic unity not just of people now but of the living, the dead, and the yet unborn, (2) renewed by the willingness to die, which acts as a vehicle for (3) immortality through honor of the war dead. Nationalism isn’t especially unique in having death as a product - liberalism piles up corpses, communism piles up corpses, traditional modes of legitimation pile up corpses, and probably radical nationalists are worse than any of those per capita, but what’s qualitatively different is that the language of nationalism is all death all the time, too. It’s all events where people died, their willingness to die, how we’ll avenge them, tombs of unknown soldiers, immortality through memorialization and through our children carrying on those traditions, etc etc.

mitigatedchaos

Eh, the thing is all states and all ideologies must be willing to use force, and willing to kill, in order to enforce themselves in a world where other ideologies are willing to do the same.  The idea of an Anarchist utopia is nothing more than a fantasy that will never come to pass, since the blank slate theory isn’t true and you’ll always have some individuals who don’t want it - either they must be brainwashed or they must be suppressed, and in either case this response will need to be organized and fairly uniform to work.

So in this sense, Nationalism isn’t actually special, so this doesn’t feel like some new insight to me, rather than yet another attempt to wear down the nation-state.  What it comes down to is that you have to be willing to get people to fight.  If you fall below a certain level of Nationalism it becomes difficult to field a volunteer army.  Talking about noble sacrifices and making monuments to war dead is part of it.  How many people would fight for a polity that went “lol no this country sucks and if you fight to preserve it you’re trash so we’re going to forget about you the minute you die haha”?

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