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discoursedrome
apricops

Discussions about ISIS, especially right-wing ones that immediately jump the discussions to “Beheadings and evil!”, and more specifically that thing that @afloweroutofstone just posted and I don’t want to stretch that post even longer, but they always remind me of that Think Tree song The Living Room: a seeming refusal to conceptualize of anything bigger than one person doing something to another. “You stole my job.” “They beheaded him,” etc., with either no conception of larger political and economic forces or anything more than two weeks ago, or a refusal to conceive of these larger forces because they undermine the immediacy of the gut appeal. “Just keep the sound of the mortar fire far from me / don’t want to have to close the windows here in my room”.

discoursedrome

Yeah, and I think also wrt to that topic there’s a tendency to overestimate threats associated with explicit malice, which is part of what makes terrorism especially distressing. Except under pretty extreme circumstances, people are more threatened by their own state (whether local or national) than by virtually any other group, even if the state is interested in their welfare while the other groups want them dead, simply because the state has so huge a role in their lives that small compromises, mistakes, and betrayals have enormous repercussions, whereas the groups that want people dead tend to have a hard time getting the leverage to do comparable levels of damage.

But people are always willing to increase the threat the state poses to them in the aftermath of a terrorist attack, because psychologically the character of the threats matters more than their magnitude. “Statistically, you have more to fear from a powerful and disinterested bureaucracy than from mad bombers who hate you” is never going to work as a line of argument, whether or not it’s true.

mitigatedchaos

It might have more sticking power if it weren’t often followed by “therefore, we should bring in tens of thousands of immigrants from cultures that still practice honor killings and FGM”.

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mutant-aesthetic
mitigatedchaos

@mutant-aesthetic

Wait, Murray suggested UBI as a solution to what The Bell Curve suggested?
Huh, that does seem reasonable, but I guess from an r/K perspective it seems kind of flawed

Apparently he wrote a whole book about instituting basic income as an alternative to the existing welfare system.  Since he hasn’t abandoned The Bell Curve, I think it follows that that’s his response to the matter.  I wasn’t sure on this, but I saw a clip of him advocating $10k for income plus $3k for healthcare the other day.

I’m not sure it’s an ideal policy (I think wage subsidies are likely a better option), but one must admit that giving the group you supposedly hate unconditional money transfers is not very Fascist behavior.

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egalitarian-metalhead
nunyabizni

Last week Trump supporters and leftist social justice warriors met on the political field of battle in Berkeley, California. Words were exchanged, as were punches. And while an alt-right leader was punched in the face, by all accounts even the social justice warriors admit that they got a major beat-down.

This prompted a reddit discussion among the left’s tolerant resistance movement, with many asking how they can more effectively go to war against anyone who disagrees with their social, political, and economic views.

I love the second to last comment, a lone voice of reason.

This is troubling to say the least, but if they go about getting their guns legally not much can be done. 

brosefvondudehomie

They couldn’t get their race war going before their leader left, so now they want a civil war.

tenaflyviper

Yeah, no.  These are the same people that previously gave anyone hell for defending the 2nd Amendment, including LGBT people and women wanting to protect themselves.

The people that make up ANTIFA are the social outcast loser kids that got beat up and picked on at school.  These are the kind of people that fantasize about violently striking back at everyone who ever made fun of them.  They’re NOT mentally stable, they’re bitter, and this is the excuse for turning violent that they’ve always DREAMED of.  They’ve always been the ones most likely to go full Columbine, and now they see an opportunity since they’ve realized that literally NO ONE sees them as a threat, and they’re a bunch of punk-ass kids that can’t fight for shit.

They realized they ain’t shit without weapons, so now they suddenly support the right to bear arms.  What a bunch of fucking hypocrites. 

egalitarian-metalhead

Funny how people who are extremely pro-second amendment are now shitting themselves over antifa arming themselves. It’s almost as if this wasn’t ever about guns, but about power. Now that antifa are realising what they need to do, their opponents are getting scared, scared because they know there’s nothing they can do to win.

mitigatedchaos

Can I send you the $7,000,000 bill when Charles Murray, whose reaction to his findings was to suggest instituting a basic income, which is pretty much the opposite of systematically murdering people, gets shot by one of your idiots?

Because that’s what this is about.

You guys can’t even avoid pepper-spraying people wearing bitcoin hats and destroying cars belonging to immigrants.  Your Nazi-dar is apparently complete trash judging by its results.  If you can’t even avoid physically assaulting people that aren’t Nazis with non-lethal weapons because you’re so obsessed with “punchin’ Natzis!”, then it’s almost inevitable that random people are going to get killed in this misguided quest to become revolutionaries.

This goes double over the obsession of characterizing speech you guys disagree with as a form of “violence” in order to excuse this behavior.  

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ranma-official
mitigatedchaos

That’s sort-of a nonsequitor, because the incentives and practical considerations around slavery are very different from those around guns.

One of the chief questions is - is your government strong enough to actually prevent people from importing black market firearms in notable numbers?  Some governments are, such as Japan and the UK, which are both islands.  Some governments have large numbers of historical firearms that could not all be removed, and lengthy borders, such as the US.

If you can’t reasonably get enough firearms out, then gun control looks worse.  If you can, then it looks better.

The presence of firearms acts as a force multiplier for criminal activity, but also for civilian defense, however the key elements of gun-based combat center around cover, movement, surprise, and so on, so attacking is easier than defending.  This isn’t a total wash, but the effects are unclear.  It also offers the opportunity for a decentralization of power and probably makes what conflicts do erupt more likely to end in death.

A lot of this also depends on what’s meant by “gun control,” for instance banning fully-automatic weapons vs all handguns.

Actually, let me just link the SSC on this: http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/01/06/guns-and-states/

One of the things Scott points out is that we kill as many people per capita in this country without guns as the Europeans do in total, before we even add in the murders with guns.

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poipoipoi-2016
collapsedsquid

In a time when phrases like “Global savings glut“ are thrown around, I get confused as to why anyone thinks solutions like “The problem is that we don’t have enough available capital for investing“ make sense, apart from places that can engage in zero-sum competitions for investment.  That doesn’t really seem like the limiting factor here.

Maybe there’s a reason that makes sense, but I’m not seeing it.

poipoipoi-2016

I do think there’s an If-Then there. 

In that IF you fixed a bunch of your institutions to let you spend money in interesting ways, THEN you could spend a bunch of money doing useful things and not have said savings glut.  

Because the skyline of every major city is filled with million-dollar holes that could be filled with half a million in materials.  

And those holes aren’t filled for very bad reasons like zoning laws.  

mitigatedchaos

Ah, but my dear Poi, why are the zoning laws broken?

Because the only way to avoid crime and societal dysfunction under our current conditions is to price it out of the market! Also American cities suck at spending infrastructure money effectively, but that’s more widely acknowledged.

The political will for denser zoning will not exist until multiple other issues are rectified, including the creation of criminals, improper incentives that don’t sufficiently reward non-criminal relative to criminal activity, simultaneous over and under policing of areas, etc.

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argumate
mitigatedchaos

Rightists see threats where there are none.

Leftists don’t see threats where there are.

misanthropymademe

Rightist: accusing me of paranoia is undermining the security of our nation!
Leftist: I don’t see the problem with leftists remaining calm in the face of possible danger, better than giving in to fear. 

argumate

Centrists fail to see important threats while fixating on nonexistent threats, yay.

mitigatedchaos

C'est moi?

I’m identifying as somewhat of a social centrist these days, whatever that means. I watched as rightists wastefully burnt through dragon hoards’ worth of social capital fighting The Gays, and for years I thought that meant Leftists/Liberals were more broadly correct and Conservatives were just prudes.

Then I started to see that atomic individualism isn’t what humans are ‘made’ for, and looked on in horror as I realized the only group that might stand in the way of legalizing polygamy (with all its problems) no longer has the social capital to effectively do so. Also that random casual sex isn’t what most people find healthy/fulfilling, and so on and so forth.

Which lead me to post the OP.

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poipoipoi-2016
mitigatedchaos

I’ll be honest here, part of the reason housing isn’t keeping up is zoning laws, and the secret reason for zoning laws being so dysfunctional…

…is to maintain safety/security, environment, and school quality by pricing the dysfunctional out of the local housing market.

How will people react to high levels of low-skilled immigration and accompanying levels of crime and other social dysfunction?  They’ll react by pushing this stratification harder.  It’s the only way for them to protect themselves, slow cultural diffusion, and maintain the social environment they need to raise their children.

To get open borders with an actually-reasonable level of housing construction, you’re going to have to go FULL SINGAPORE, become less democratic, more Capitalist (in some senses but not others), and brutally crush crime so that the zoning laws can be loosened.

But how many people who want open borders are okay with bringing back public corporal punishment?

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mitigatedchaos

People already weren’t taking Spencer seriously, and one of the non-WN Republicans I know thinks Milo essentially fell on his sword to make sure the Left kept saying it hates pedos.  I think opinion on Milo may be higher than you think it is.

Additionally, none of these address the root causes of the increasing prominence of White Nationalism, which isn’t just “lol white people are racist”.

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theunitofcaring

Anonymous asked:

Again, people​ googling randos they've never heard of before is not evidence that they become Nazis themselves. You know what stops Nazis? Ten million communists with weapons. You know what would have helped? Liberals. Fucking. Helping. I know you like fascists way too much to defend the oppressed, but AT LEAST DO NOT INTERFERE.

theunitofcaring answered:

If your plan only works if no one ‘interferes’ by arguing on the internet that your efforts are observably counterproductive and unhelpful, then your plan is a colossal failure.

But, seriously, the ‘should you no-platform speakers at colleges’ debate isn’t the ‘punch Nazis’ debate and I think it’s really unhelpful to conflate them. Someone might believe that it’s right to pull fire alarms, scream at the top of your lungs, block cars, etc. in order to make sure that, say, trans-exclusionary feminists can’t give a talk at their college, while also believing that bludgeoning purported Nazis is a terrible idea. “Does suppressing speeches on college campuses and in other public arenas by having violent demonstrations against them work?” is the question I am discussing in that post, and as you correctly observe, “no, that fails to suppress the speech” is not an answer to a wide variety of unrelated questions. 

When I write posts about whether punching Nazis is a good idea then you are welcome to spam me with hysterical anons claiming that I love Nazis, am personally a liberal fascist, am responsible for the rise of the Third Reich, etcetera etcetera, but when that’s also your response to ‘no-platforming fails because of the Streisand effect’ then someone might conclude that’s just your default response to literally any dissent, you know?

As always I am proudly and openly committing to interfering with street violence against unarmed people, organized brutality of every kind, and the spread of dishonest, misguided, and nonsensical information about how a society can fight violent extremism. Yes, I will interfere. Yes, I do interfere. Yes, I will persuade everyone that I possibly can to interfere alongside me. 

mitigatedchaos

In today’s news, aggrieved Communist Anon unaware of difference between no-platforming, street violence, and war, as well as Lend-Lease Act.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#US_deliveries_to_the_Soviet_Union

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