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dfskle
“I’m an anarchosocialist, not a neolib. Don’t “*I* will be forced to fight them” me, like you’re some kind of hero. Their ideology is already out of date for being morally wrong, saying genetic technology is what will end them implies that the...
mitigatedchaos

I’m an anarchosocialist, not a neolib. Don’t “*I* will be forced to fight them” me, like you’re some kind of hero. Their ideology is already out of date for being morally wrong, saying genetic technology is what will end them implies that the genetic “problems” they present actually need solutions. Violence against fascists is the only option against fascists. They cannot be debated since their ideology is grounded in hatred not logic, they cannot be appeased as they will always ask for more, they have to brutally crushed/scared into disbanding. 
And while fascism is rising in America, antifascism is rising much faster, and hopefully they will come to an inevitable conflict in which fascism is finally wiped from the earth. 

  1. The strategy of street fighting the Fascists in Germany failed so badly that Hitler came to power and nearly took over Europe.  If he had been a bit more competent he might have succeeded and the Third Reich could still exist today.  This strategy has already been tried, and it already failed.
  2. Antifa have pepper-sprayed bitcoin enthusiasts, destroyed immigrants’ cars, harassed business students, and so on.  If the violence were limited to just actual fascists/WNs it would probably be possible to get away with it.  It isn’t.  Instead it’s playing right into the hands of groups who say that “no white is safe”.  By all appearances, Antifa like punching and the feel of righteous indignation more than they value actually bothering to check who is and is not an actual Nazi before punching them.  This makes people who are not Nazis suddenly very concerned about the safety of Nazis.
  3. If someone is converted to Fascism, there is no reason to think they cannot be deconverted from Fascism.  There have already been very successful attempts to deconvert Klansmen, who you would very likely claim are also motivated entirely by hatred and must be destroyed by force.  Deconversion is morally preferable to extermination and also results in ideological evaporative cooling, leaving only the craziest members who will seem less credible.
  4. Deconverting them requires the ability to make credible claims that there is not a plan afoot to demographically replace them.  You, and the Democratic Party, cannot effectively make this claim.  You probably think that the rise of Trump is a scathing indictment of American racism, and not the result of a direct correlation between premature death rates for middle-aged whites and % Trump votes on a county-by-county basis.  There are a number of large holes for rival ideologies to exploit which could have been prevented entirely by buying off the white working class (and so on), but the Left was not politically willing to pay the cost of closing them.  The mainstream Republican establishment wasn’t willing to pay them either, which is why they got knocked over like a bunch of bowling pins by a populist with little political experience.
    1. Not to mention that a lot of the pro-diversity ideology is contradictory or implicitly accepts some of their frame, as I have specified.  People can notice the hypocrisy.  It went under the radar when there was less stress in the system, and in fact I quietly supported keeping it under the radar in order to keep the amount of racism low (this is after all a multiracial country), but all of these terrorist attacks in the West have blown the lid off.  New ideological tools must be developed to repair the situation.
    2. Speaking of ideological tools, some old ones must be revived.  The cultural mosaic model creates ethnic tensions.  It’s time to explicitly bring back Melting Pot.  Not bringing it back just gives people reason to wage culture war for the supremacy of their own culture.
  5. With advances in genetic technology, white nationalism becomes largely obsolete not just on the premises of its opponents, but on its own premises.  Most ideologues these days are not effectively dealing with the looming spectre of Transhumanism that is due to arrive within decades.  Nervous-system-controlled robotic limbs, vat-grown organs, and genetic selection technology are already here, they just aren’t up to par yet.  Most ideologies will have to be changed significantly to accommodate.  The reason I brought this up is because, while it’s a weakness for the mainstream, it’s a much more glaring weakness for WNs that is not being adequately exploited.
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dfskle
dfskle:
“ mitigatedchaos:
“ dfskle:
“ mapsontheweb:
“White Americans aged 80+ vs. White Americans aged 0-4 by county.
”
I think this means the country is growing to be less white and that makes me happy
”
The actual non-racist response is to be...
mapsontheweb

White Americans aged 80+ vs. White Americans aged 0-4 by county.

dfskle

I think this means the country is growing to be less white and that makes me happy

mitigatedchaos

The actual non-racist response is to be indifferent.  If all races are equal, and equally valuable, then a reduction in the percentage of whites is something to be neither celebrated nor pitied.

And indeed, we have many loyal, hard-working citizens of many races in this country.

But I’m coming around to the idea of contradictions in ideology.  

The language required for the diversity arguments implicitly accepts some of the frame premises of the White Nationalists, but refuses to engage with them.

Keep reading

dfskle

I literally don’t care what this post makes White Nationalists think, since they should all be 6 feet in the fucking ground

This was literally just a casual comment on how I enjoy diversity, why are people still reblogging it with 9 page arguments 3 or 4 months later

mitigatedchaos

You should care because even though their ideology will be technologically obsolete within about 30 years thanks to advancements in genetic engineering, they are capable of doing damage in the meantime, and reckless behavior by their opponents is increasing their numbers. If WNs enact violence I will be obligated to fight them to ensure the civil order of the United States, but if others fight the WNs I will have to fight them instead for the same reason. Since violence is out as an option, that leaves deconversion or at the very least not making more of them. Right now the Left is making more of them.

As for your post, it’s getting reblogged because, while casual, it’s a good simple example of the contradictions within pro-diversity Neoliberalism.

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ranma-official
ranma-official

you can only either be completely okay with capitalism as it stands currently or be an unironic gulag jokes-making communist because these are the only two genders

mitigatedchaos

tfw you can only have the ability to develop policies that will help workers but not the will to enact them, or the will to enact policies intended to benefit workers but not the ability to design actually-good ones

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dfskle
dfskle:
“ mapsontheweb:
“White Americans aged 80+ vs. White Americans aged 0-4 by county.
”
I think this means the country is growing to be less white and that makes me happy
”
The actual non-racist response is to be indifferent. If all races are...
mapsontheweb

White Americans aged 80+ vs. White Americans aged 0-4 by county.

dfskle

I think this means the country is growing to be less white and that makes me happy

mitigatedchaos

The actual non-racist response is to be indifferent.  If all races are equal, and equally valuable, then a reduction in the percentage of whites is something to be neither celebrated nor pitied.

And indeed, we have many loyal, hard-working citizens of many races in this country.

But I’m coming around to the idea of contradictions in ideology.  

The language required for the diversity arguments implicitly accepts some of the frame premises of the White Nationalists, but refuses to engage with them.

Keep reading

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argumate
argumate

people (very briefly) wrote about Bannon as if he was this erudite mastermind of fascist strategy, but I think the narrative will collapse faster than his attempts at passing legislation.

Dubya’s cronies had been kicking around in Washington for decades and had far more institutional experience and they were still a clumsy pack of ideocrats; you wouldn’t expect Bannon to be even on their level.

argumate

mitigatedchaos said: Yeah, I’m going to dredge all the fascist panic up and shove it in peoples’ faces in 4 years at this rate, probably.

“don’t worry, we survived Donald Trump didn’t we?”

“this is different! if you vote for Chelsea Clinton people will die!

mitigatedchaos

Not everyone is going to survive any given Presidency.  Lots of people didn’t survive the Obama Presidency, for instance.

Rather, the specific complaint in this case was that Trump was Fascist and would somehow turn the US into some sort of authoritarian state far exceeding the existing level of wasteful authority.

I’m confident that isn’t going to happen.  Trump is not going to be a military dictator or three-term President.

I’ve been rather annoyed with it, along with the claims of Xism leveled at all opponents, the no-platforming, the enthusiasm for punching ‘Nazis’ that inevitably ends up pepper-spraying bitcoin enthusiasts and cheering physical violence against Libertarians, the racism itself…

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argumate
argumate

Thanks to this healthcare debacle I’m feeling slightly vindicated in my feeling from last year that while Trump might be unprecedented in some ways as a presidential candidate let alone president, the sheer institutional inertia of the state and the gloriously recalcitrant nature of American politics would stymie his ability to radically reshape the nation. I mean it’s still early days, but yeah.

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slatestarscratchpad
slatestarscratchpad

What do people think of the “Trump Humiliated By Health Care Failure” and “Health Care Rejection Shows Trump Is Already Lame Duck” and “Paul Ryan: Worst Speaker Of All Time?” discourse?

Most people I trust seem to think the health care bill was crap. Blaming people for writing a crappy health care bill seems fair enough.

But there seems to be more of an element of picking on them for being too weak to pass the bill, as if now they’re losers and we can never respect them again.

Can we just say something like “Elected officials should propose bills that they and their constituents want, give the rest of the country a chance to weigh in, and if the rest of the country says no, that means democracy is working and they should come back with something better”?

Like, this is complicated because I don’t want Republicans to pass a health care bill right now. But if this were actually important legislation, I would want the government to say “Good thing the American people made their voices heard,” roll up their sleeves, and then write a better bill.

Whereas now it seems like the incentive is to never propose anything that doesn’t have a 100% chance of getting passed the first time. And the other incentive is to desperately try to steamroll your legislation over everyone’s opposition and never admit you’re wrong, because if it fails (even for good reason) everyone will make fun of you.

Or am I missing something important here?

mitigatedchaos

Bro, it’s the Orange Capitalism Man.  Anything that can be used to verbally attack him will be.

Why are you expecting good faith or actually caring about long-term incentives on the meta?  Neglecting long-term incentives on the meta is how we got here in the first place.

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