Oceans Yet to Burn

argumate

really we need a cool name for the political ideology of “taking the democratic institutions that we have and reforming them in the direction of producing better outcomes and increasing the popular legitimacy of the system, probably via some form of basic income guarantee and more flexible way of expressing voting preferences but other options may also be worth investigating”.

mitigatedchaos

This isn’t exactly what I’m after, but it isn’t that far off.

I think we can improve the organizational technology and incentives of government itself, probably through a new sort of multidisciplinary behavioral game-theory-like field.

Also prediction markets, if we can fix the holes in them.

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argumate

@remedialaction: Attempting to use property that is not yours is a violation, be it by seizure, trespass, violence, or the like.

is the radio spectrum property? how about the ionosphere? global fish stocks?

mitigatedchaos

The oxygen in the air, water in the sea, rain from the sky? Wild animals in nature, with migration patterns that cross multiple boundaries?

How is it claimed? If part of something is disposed, do the atoms still belong to someone?

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argumate

my gut feeling is that ancapistan quickly reverts to a regular capitalist state or in the worst case feudalism, while the ancoms end up in an authoritarian state of the usual variety, although this may be avoided if the scale is very small; eg. most families, tribes, and villages are run on ancom principles already.

mitigatedchaos

I think most people have this gut feeling. At least, most people who are aware these two ideologies exist.

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collapsedsquid

foreignpolicy.com

Surprise Findings: China’s Youth Are Getting Less Nationalistic, Not More

Harvard and Peking University researchers just upended conventional wisdom.

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Since 2002, the survey has also asked questions designed to tease out respondents’ nationalism, including the degree to which they agreed or disagreed with the following standard measures of nationalist sentiment: “Even if I could choose any other country in the world, I would prefer to be a citizen of China than any other country”; “In general, China is a better country than most others”; and “Everyone should support their government even when it is wrong.”
The paper’s headline result suggests that nationalism among Beijing’s residents has not increased over time. On the contrary, the proportion of survey respondents strongly agreeing with the first and third statements decreased sharply from 2002 to 2015, while the number of those who agreed “somewhat” rose. Those strongly agreeing with the second statement, about China being “a better country,” did increase slightly — perhaps an understandable finding given that personal incomes and infrastructure in Beijing both improved significantly over the survey period.
The results not only show a drop in sentiment resembling nationalism; they strongly suggest that Chinese youth, at least those in China’s capital, are less nationalistic than their elders, belying notions of growing numbers of internet-addled youngsters ready to take the government to task for any perceived failure to defend the national honor. In each instance of the survey since 2002, respondents born after 1978 were markedly less likely to “strongly agree” with any of the nationalist survey prompts than were their older peers. Perhaps most striking, by 2015, the proportion of older Chinese strongly agreeing to support their country “even when it is wrong” was more than twice the proportion of youth who felt that way.

While it often looks like nationalism is ascendant now, sometimes it looks like it’s a last desperate gasp of a vanishing way of thinking. Can nationalism survive a population that grew up in a globally connected world?

mitigatedchaos

As a Nationalist, a last, desperate gasp isn’t the way I’d put it. But then, I wouldn’t call it ascendant, either. Nationalism will fall in and out of favor as the consequences of Anti-Nationalism become apparent and then wane.

For China’s case, though, you have to consider that the PRC is incompetent, corrupt, and authoritarian. In the presence of international information, it’s going to be more difficult to cultivate Nationalism when the state, which is a key organ of Nationalism, is so highly at odds with the needs of the people.

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immanentizingeschatons

The left is terrible, the right is terrible, libertarianism is terrible

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mitoticcephalopod

I’m really confused that the animosity between ancoms and ancaps. I feel like we all agree on the most important thing: that the state is bad. We just disagree on the economic system we should use after the state is removed. tbh I really don’t feel like that’s worth spending so much time arguing about when the real enemy is the statists.

collapsedsquid

One answer to this is that for ancoms any entity with the power to define and enforce property rights is a “state.“ Regardless of whether it’s a subscription or taxes , if It walks like state, quacks like a state, and enforces property rights like a state it will have to solve the same problems as a state and will crack heads like a state.

mitigatedchaos

Many state policies can be replicated in Anarcho-Capitalism by adjusting who has the property at the start, only without the recourse to democracy to blunt the effects of the worst ones. I’m not even an Anarcho-Communist and it seems obvious to me why they shouldn’t be friends.

argumate

don’t ancoms need a way to “unenforce” property rights? why is that less powerful than a state?

mitigatedchaos

The vibe I got was that this would be done by The Community somehow. …which basically means it is the state, only power will be more evenly distributed or something and it will dissolve afterwards when not needed?

Of course there’s a reason I’m a Nationalist not any kind of Anarchist. Naturally I don’t expect that to work. At least it’s better than Tankies though.

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sinesalvatorem

I really don’t understand white nationalists who think antebellum slavery was a good idea - even from a self-interest perspective.

Like, you guys do realise how the people you hate so much got to the Americas, right?

For people who say blacks can’t swim, you seem surprisingly convinced that we crossed the Atlantic without help.

mitigatedchaos

The first White Nationalist I’ve met in a while does indeed think that the Atlantic Slave Trade was a bad idea, and roughly for that reason.

From a regular Nationalist perspective racializing slavery was also a dumb idea since it essentially created a separate ethnicity in a group that could have been fully integrated, causing expensive and politically-divisive rifts in society that last to this day, undermined the nation’s moral character, undermined national morale, etc. And that’s before even accounting for the ordinary moral damage it did in terms of unnecessary human suffering, which was enormous.

Of course if one is the kind to practice mass racialized slavery, one may not be the kind to give thought to the long term implications of mass racialized slavery on others in general.

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argumate

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argumate

nostalgebraist said: i don’t understand these two sentences – if they couldn’t reach him, how do they know what he said? – “Moldbug, who does not do interviews and could not be reached for this story, has reportedly opened up a line to the White House, communicating with Bannon and his aides through an intermediary, according to a source. Yarvin said he has never spoken with Bannon.”

blatant bullshit Kremlinology, I just like the fact that Americans spend so long vetting their presidential candidates (over a year!) then once elected they immediately install a cabal of incredibly shady characters to run everything.

“oh I’d have a beer with Dubya!”

*cue Cheney, Rumsfeld, Perle, and Wolfowitz striding into Whitehouse in slow motion like world’s worst boyband*

mitigatedchaos

Some dark part of me longs for Technocratic Dictatorship.

politics

See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

Surprise Findings: China’s Youth Are Getting Less Nationalistic, Not More