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See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

Sounds perfect Wahhhh, I don’t wanna
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quoms

‘citizenship’ is revolting

argumate

surely lack of citizenship is revolting, ie. the fact that a person can be abandoned by every state on Earth, trapped in no-mans-land without support or freedom of movement.

mitigatedchaos

Actually, it’s against international law to make someone stateless.  Everyone is supposed to belong to some state, even if many people would rather belong to a different one.

Having mechanisms of citizenship is just acknowledging incentives, though.

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nostalgebraist

So am I a leftist (not a liberal) because I am unmoved by arguments that XYZ activist tactic is “incompatible with the norms we must maintain as a free society” or the like

Or am I a liberal (not a leftist) because when I read the news about whichever XYZ people are talking about in this way, it usually looks to me like no political goals are being accomplished and it’s not helping anyone

I want people to tell me about effectiveness and not principles, and a lot of leftist pro-XYZ stuff is still about principles, just the other way around: “since I have no principle against doing this, it’s a good idea”

When I read stuff like this

The bloc takes care to stay together, move together, and blend together. Within minutes, bottle rockets were shooting skyward and bricks were flying through bank windows. You don’t know who does what in a bloc, you don’t look to find out. If bodies run out of formation to take a rock to a Starbucks window, they melt back to the bloc in as many seconds. Bodies reconciled, kinetic beauty. If that sounds to you like a precondition for mob violence, you’re right. But this is only a problem if you think there are no righteous mobs, or that windows feel pain, or that counter-violence (like punching Richard Spencer) is never valid.

I feel like I’ve woken up to find that my bed is covered in piles of fertilizer, and I’m like “why is my bed covered in piles of fertilizer,” and my weird roommate, who put piles of fertilizer on my bed, is all “do you think there should never be fertilizer anywhere?  you think farmers should just not fertilize their crops?

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Or like smashing banks’ property is a perfectly acceptable expression of rage and revenge at such powerful institutions causing immense suffering and if there any fucking justice in this world someone in power would punish the bastards so violent mobs don’t have to do it themselves.

mitigatedchaos

Hah, as if those in charge of the banks will let the burden fall on themselves and not push it off on their underlings and customers, as they have the power to do!  Smashing banks is meaningless self-gratification that is used to fuel the Police State.

I’m not going to tell you what kind of political violence would be necessary to be more effective, because I don’t want to encourage political violence, much less effective political violence, but that sure isn’t it.

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alexyar

anthropicprincipal

Nativism is bipartisan.

sinesalvatorem

Oh, huh, a Democrat who thinks that raising the minimum wage at which (foreign) workers can be hired causes less of them to be hired? I don’t think they got the memo about how price doesn’t actually affect demand and economics was an inside job.

nuclearspaceheater

The system does need to be reformed, but a better way would be to replace the lottery system with a blind auction rather than setting salary requirements.

mitigatedchaos

Yeah, an auction would price it more accurately.  Other interventions include making it easier for H1Bs to change jobs - thus if they really are worth more than the lower wages that are claimed, they won’t stay at the company.  Making it easy to deport but hard to change jobs is just begging for corruption and replacing the native labor pool with labor that can be credibly threatened with being kicked out of the country.

Though, I admit my first instinct was to limit the number of slots and auction them off.  “Oh, it’s so important to you?  Then clearly, you’ll be willing to pay the necessary amount of money to show it’s important.”

Source: alexyar politics policy
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quoms

i remember years ago before LRAD cannons were a thing i watched a TED talk from the guy who developed LRAD cannons and he demonstrated the technology for the audience - using soft orchestral music, at its base LRAD is a technology for long-range projection of any sound - and was like ‘haha yeah we sold this shit to the military, no idea what they’re gonna do with it’

this one, it was filmed way back in 2004. LRAD cannons weren’t used against protesters in the US until 2009 during the pittsburgh G20 protests

Ideas worth spreading®

dabblingindissent

i swear to fuck this is why i hate when people share videos of those boston dynamics robots acting like they’re all cute when 10 years down the line they’ll have tasers and pepper spray and mini lrads and millimeter microwave guns and they’ll be using them on protesters

mitigatedchaos

Just for future reference, readers, whenever you see me post a video of some Boston Dynamics robot that moves way too much like an animal, assume there is some minor nervous undertone, even though I’m not the protesting kind.

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argumate

Trump is like a Nazi because he advocates for an immigration policy slightly less strict than that of Australia.

argumate

Now you can go a few different ways with this observation:

1. This demonstrates that comparing Trump with Nazis is hyperbole that may just cause people to tune out. (”Are you saying that Australians are Nazis too?”)

2. Immigration is only one issue, you also have to look at other economic and defense policies, the complete picture is suggestive of fascism.

3. Yes, Australians are Nazis too.

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argumate

Australia should take America’s Trump trouble as a galvanising moment. Universities, corporations, industry associations, sports bodies, cultural institutions and governments should step up recruitment efforts to win the attention of an entire generation of ambitious and talented people who would normally have had their sights set on the US. And bring the best of them to Australia to top up our human capital.

mitigatedchaos

As a Nationalist I cannot object to Australia doing this, as weird as that may sound.

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theunitofcaring
theunitofcaring

Last night there was a highly upvoted, highly-trafficked post on r/the_donald declaring that the Quebec shooter (a far-right white nationalist) was definitely a Muslim because no information had been announced yet which meant the media was colluding to cover for a Muslim. Some select (upvoted) comments:

There are rumors of one week old refugees committing this act of terrorism. Wake the fuck up people.

“the media will not report on violent incidents till they ascertain that the perpetrators were not muslim”

Takes time to patch up all the cracks in The Narrative™

> Also to poorly photoshop their picture so they appear whiter.

I checked back there this morning to see if the news that the shooter was actually a white rightist Canadian had gotten any discussion. It hadn’t, of course - the front page is all people declaring they’re proudly boycotting Starbucks, which recently said they will hire refugees. 

I bet there are a lot of people who read r/the_donald and have a vague impression that refugees committed six murders in Canada last night, a vague impression which will stack with other similarly unverified vague impressions and leave them convinced there’s an epidemic of refugee violence. I have no idea what to do about that, and it terrifies me.

mitigatedchaos

This is partially a side effect of the media blowing their own credibility, and partially a side effect of conservatives setting up their own bubble.  I’m not even a conservative and I don’t really know who to trust these days.

It’s hardly unique to the Left though, since social conservatives burned through an unbelievable amount of social capital fighting against gays lately.

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@philippesaner

I think you’re overconfident in your interpretation of what the anon meant. Maybe that’s what you would’ve meant in their shoes, but they’re them and you’re you.

I think people can pick up on these things on a subconscious level even if they aren’t fully thinking that way explicitly on a conscious level.  I certainly can’t name most logical fallacies even when I can spot them.  (I didn’t know what the formal name for what the problem with religious threats about the afterlife was, but I could tell something was wrong with them, for instance.)

Take, for example, the treatment of racial diversity in America.  If a 100% black company is okay, but a 100% white company “needs diversity”, then this implies that blacks are worth more than whites.  That may not be what (most of) the advocates really mean, but that’s the sum vector of their words and actions as received by a number of people.  And people pick up on that as being unwanted/unwelcome.

Or to take a stronger example, if men and women are equally capable of doing good things, but men are uniquely violent and evil, then it logically follows that men are worse than women.  …and the ways to escape that tend to look like either MRA or “redpiller” (not the same thing) behavior, which are definitely not welcome within Feminism.

It should come as no surprise that are a lot of people that do not feel wanted/welcome within Feminism and refuse to have the label applied to them, even though many Feminists would want to apply the label to them.

But anyhow, both groups often don’t really go chasing down these chains of reasoning and making them explicit, since people don’t really think that way (and most people are relatively average).  But I think they do notice them, and they become feelings that baffle their opponents.

Now, it’s possible that the Anon really does believe America has an ownership claim to those University positions, and that Anon has a partial ownership claim to America, and thus some claim to those positions.  But that gets into the philosophy of ownership/property, which is a whole other thing, especially since I view ownership/property as useful rather than true.

Anyway…I don’t know much about the history of academic visa policy in America. So I can’t comment on whether every attempt to tighten it is characterized as racist xenophobia. But this particular attempt pretty clearly is xenophobic and maybe racist too.

Well, I don’t think it was handled well.  I would have done TUoC’s “xenophobic plan” version instead if I were Orange Capitalism Man.  But there is a reason I didn’t vote for Orange Capitalism Man despite being an unironic Nationalist.

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