Oceans Yet to Burn

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Getting closer to some kind of breaking point

[isaacsapphire]

Pretty sure that I became a liberal for the Beer and Tits more than for the “Liberalism” per see (whatever that actually is) considering that I always opposed Second Wave’s anti porn side.

The proto-rape appoligism from trans activists and “anti-racist” activists is getting extremely old. The anti free speech position, the pro violence position, the pro imprisonment and forced reeducation of people who have moral disagreement with the SJW party line, even when those who disagree are LGBTQ, or non White, or women themselves is getting to be more than I can take.

It is literally, ontologically, impossible to please them with anything less than ceasing to exist if one is straight, cis, and/or White, and even if you are LGBTQ or a PoC, that’s only good enough if you toe the party line completely, erase all evidence that you ever haven’t, keep up to date on the latest terminology and erase all evidence that you ever used old terms in the past, and never piss off someone who is more “disadvantaged” than you or has more social clout.

I can’t keep doing this.

I think that people should be treated based on their actions and the content of their character, not the color of their skin. I think that people should be permitted to love as they will, to form consensual relationship with adults as they will, and that minors should receive accurate information about sex and human reproduction and access to birth control if they so desire and not legally punished for consensual relationships with others of their age.

I think that gender and gender roles have changed, gender reassignment technology has advanced astronomically in the last half century, and our culture is struggling to absorb these changes. I don’t have all the answers for how to best accommodate all the permutations and changes. I do know that, at minimum, people should be permitted to do what they like with their own bodies and make whatever modifications they feel inclined to make, and as long as nobody is misrepresenting the body modifications that they’re selling, it’s not really any business of strangers what body mods other people choose to have.

I’m not sure exactly how all this should best be accommodated or not by schools, medical insurance, or employers though, or to what, if any, degree the government should enforce particular accommodations or forbid them.

I think that people ought to call people what they want to be called, but I also think that occasional accidental misgendering is a regular part of life and not necessarily intentional or meant to be harmful.

I don’t think that there is anything wrong with interracial relationships. (And JFC, WTF is wrong with the world that I’m saying that in 2017 to differentiate myself from LIBERALS?)

I don’t think that anybody is morally obligated to try to change who they are sexually attracted to, although you might be morally obligated to not act on some attractions (eg. Minor attracted people). I’m also pretty sure that attempts to change what you are sexually attracted to don’t work.

I don’t think that anybody has a right to sex with anybody else, whether in general or specific. Marital rape is rape, and you don’t have a right to have sex with x category of people either.

I don’t think that speech that isn’t outright direct “you kill that guy” type incitement has any business being called violence, and DEFINITELY should not be met with violence, but rather more speech.

I think that silencing those you strongly disagree with is a bad strategic move, not merely morally doubtful. If you are so right and they are so wrong, there is nothing to be gained by not publicly debating them.

I believe in freedom of religion, and freedom to not be religious, and freedom to say that other people’s religions are stupid and bad.

And I have to go get lunch now, so that’s where I’ll end for now.

[random-thought-depository]

I think most actual liberals are probably closer to you than the people you’re complaining about. I don’t know what your life is like so maybe I’m wrong, but it sounds to me like you’re reacting to social bubble and “the most obnoxious yeller gets heard” effects that create a very distorted picture of what the liberal Overton Window actually looks like.

Knock on the door of your average Democrat voter and my bet is you’ll find a person who has never heard of the Cotton Ceiling, has a basically liberal perspective on anti-racism and feminism and LGBT rights, thinks Hillary Clinton is kind of cool, thinks the rich have too much but doesn’t like communists and doesn’t want revolution, etc.. Heck, go to your average Tumblr leftist and my guess is you’ll find somebody with roughly the opinions you just posted. Opinions like “interracial marriage is actually problematic” get reblogged disproportionately because they’re unusual and therefore interesting.

I mean, Hillary Clinton won the 2016 primary and Bernie Sanders was the maverick outsider who fired the imaginations of the young and radical. Do either of them look like the kind of candidate a hard-core “SJW” type would get excited about to you?

I think this is why hard-core “SJW” types are so frustrated and angry: they know that most people are extremely problematic and unenlightened by their standards and this includes most of their ostensible allies.

[mitigatedchaos]

This use of the word “Liberal” probably has something to do with the American usage not differentiating “Liberal” and “Leftist.”

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[theyankeetankie]

I’ve been boycotting superhero movies since Iron Man 2 but suddenly it’s popular because one of them has an Israeli lead

Gotcha

It’s not like there’s ever been any other reason so protest a lead in a superhero movie…

But it’s not really kitsch to boycott things that aren’t from Israel for whatever reason, is it

[ranma-official]

I’m not seeing the reason. Please show it to us.

[mitigatedchaos]

I mean, aside from RDJ’s character being reasonably funny, wasn’t the whole joke about Hollywood’s treatment of race?

But I guess that’s too subtle for some people.

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

One can only imagine what it is like to be a straight white male. To go to the movies, enjoy the story fully, and then leave without the necessity to form any kind of emotional attachment to the characters. Why would they? They will find themselves perfectly represented all over again in the next movie they decide to watch, whichever it might be, and the next one, and the next one. Representation to them is not a luxury, it’s a given right.

possibly one of the stupidest things ever written? we may never know. (via argumate)

In which the grass is always greener on the other side of the thinkpiece writer.

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[diarrheaworldstarhiphop]

White Professor Fired From historically Black, publicly funded College Gets $4.9 Million in racial discrimination suit

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ST. LOUIS (CN) — A Missouri appeals court upheld a $4.85 million racial discrimination award to a white teacher who was fired from Harris-Stowe State University, an historically black college.

A trial jury awarded Elizabeth Wilkins $1.35 million in compensatory damages and $3.5 million in punitive damages on her claim that she was fired in favor of less senior black teachers. She also claimed Dr. Latisha Smith, the temporary co-chair for Harris-Stowe’s Teacher Education Department, repeatedly proclaimed her belief in “black power” in emails.

Harris-Stowe’s defense was crippled by the fact that it deleted emails in Smith’s account, in violation of a court order.

“During discovery, the trial court ordered the Board [of Regents] to preserve Dr. Smith’s email account,” Judge Kurt Odenwald wrote for the three-judge panel.

“In violation of the order, the Board deleted Dr. Smith’s email account. Because of this violation, the trial court ruled, as a sanction, that the following allegations were deemed admitted: Dr. Smith’s email account contained statements expressing her desire to make the Teacher Education Department ‘blacker’ and that she recommended terminating Wilkins’s employment.”

Harris-Stowe claimed it fired Wilkins for her “inappropriate activities.”

The college made five points in its appeal to the Missouri Court of Appeals for the Eastern District:

• that the trial court erred in instructing the jury on future damages;
• that the trial court erroneously permitted Wilkins to cite an irrelevant state law to the jury;
• that the trial court erred in failing to remit the jury’s award of compensatory damages because the verdict was grossly excessive and not supported by the evidence;
• and that the trial court erred in submitting the issue of punitive damages to the jury;
• and that the trial court erred in failing to remit the jury’s award of punitive damages.

But on Tuesday, the appeals court affirmed the trial court ruling on all five points, plus Wilkins’s request $35,603 in for attorneys’ fees and costs.

“We have not yet had an opportunity to review the ruling with counsel,” a Harris-Stowe State University spokesperson said in an email. “After review, we will evaluate the steps the University will need to take in light of the ruling.”

Writing for the unanimous panel, Odenwald noted that Wilkins earned around $67,622 a year when she was fired. She planned to teach into her 70s and had received nothing but positive performance reviews.

“The record is absolutely void of any evidence to suggest that Wilkins was unsuited for her position or that she was at risk of being lawfully terminated,” Odenwald wrote. “Yet, after her termination for ‘inappropriate activities,’ Wilkins testified that her academic reputation was ruined, that HSSU placed a letter alleging misconduct into her employment file, and that she believed she could not receive the necessary recommendations for subsequent employment. Unexpectedly thrust into the job market, the record reflects that Wilkins was interested in, and searched for, similar teaching positions at colleges or universities in the area. However, Wilkins was unable to find such a job within commuting distance of St. Louis.”

Presiding Judge James M. Dowd and Judge Gary M. Gaertner concurred.

Harris-Stowe, in St. Louis, has an enrollment of about 1,400. Annual tuition for an in-state residential student is about $16,984, according to the college website, which estimates tuition for an in-state nonresidential student as $7,484. Part-time students pay $199 per credit hour.

[mitigatedchaos]

Edit: Huh, forgot I had this in my queue.  

Anyhow, above is a point of calibration for how racial discrimination laws are enforced in America.  

We can see that they are not unidirectional.

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[gamsee]

today this white girl asked me why my hair is so curly and i said im black and she told me to say african american

[mitigatedchaos]

You hear about this happening in Britain with tourists sometimes, but I’m not sure if it really happens there or if the Brits are just yanking our chains.

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Obliterating Identity: How Color-Shifting and Face Morphing are the Newest Force of White Racism in America

- Mic.com/Slate/BuzzHuff, 2025

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Anonymous asked:

Historical accuracy debate aside, white people get to whitewash every culture but God Forbid black people imagine themselves as Egyptians? Don't pretend to care about denying modern Egyptians their heritage, you know that's not what it's about.

diarrheaworldstarhiphop answered:

why the egyptians and not, say, the aksumites.. songhai, the malian empire or great zimbabwe? nubia, even..

There’s a rich history of dynasties and great empires throughouit that continent but why is there a particular focus on egypt?

There are many amazing societies and civilizations that never get the appreciation and attention they deserve because egypt constantly gets white and black washed.

[mitigatedchaos]

Self-perpetuating cycle, is it not?

No one learns about those empires in school, so they fight over Egypt instead.  So, spending political will fighting over Egypt, they don’t go back and put them in the school curriculum.

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There is a vulnerability (yet another one anyway) in the wokeosphere open for a troll to exploit: simply running around claiming people are white.

Because in practical terms standpoint theory means your race determines your speaking value in the progressive stack, and because bad SJ types will be more likely to believe this kind of accusation, it would be quite dangerous to one’s social standing. I won’t go into further details because I don’t want to encourage it, but defense on this would not be easy.

For my part I see this kind of vulnerability as an indictment of the system itself. Its axioms and patterns make it essentially unsolveable without either tight restriction of access or changing to something else.

The irony that the opposite probably wouldn’t work on White Nationalists isn’t lost on me.

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[the-grey-tribe]

Anyway, before I miss out on the other discourse going on: Piper Harron has basically said that universities need to fire white mathematicians, because WOC have no chance to be hired to do math otherwise.

Problematic?

Or super problematic?

[mitigatedchaos]

No. Woke.

[the-grey-tribe]

Dammit! Are you sure?

[mitigatedchaos]

Does she look white to you? Woke.

Granted, I was just shitposting and hadn’t checked first, but this whole edge case wokeness thing has been more stupid than politics in general so it seemed like a good guess. Of course if a white man said the same thing it would be a sign of his racism, but SJ informally asserts that truth value is based on race, sex, and orientation of the speaker, so…

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Where are you from

[the-grey-tribe]

I guess one of the symptoms of this “identity confusion“ is that asking “Where are you from - originally? What are you?“ is sometimes considered a micro-aggression, and sometimes people identify strongly with that place, and sometimes people from the Old Country ask you “Where are you from?“ in exactly the same way, but it can’t be a micro-aggression in that case.

Is it a grave insult to order a pizza in Italian when it turns out the waiter is Greek? Is it a grave insult to order a pizza in Italian when *you* are Italian? Is it an insult to ask somebody for directions in Mandarin because that person *looks* Chinese? Does it matter if you are a Mandarin native speaker? Does it matter if you’re a Cantonese native speaker? Does it matter if this happens in the US, or in France, and you don’t speak French?

Does it matter if your family was forced to renounce their heritage in one of the World Wars or by Stalinist resettlement?

If you try hard to keep your identity and culture alive, you will have an answer ready to “Where are you from?“.

Treating “Where are you from, originally?“ as a kind of slight enforces the mainstream US categorisation into back, white, brown, Asian, Latin American, native American.

Sometimes, the question is where *in China* are you from? What place exactly? Are you from the same place *I* am from?

[argumate]

what is your ethnoracial heritage? wait, just spit into this test tube and I’ll send it to 23andme myself.

[the-grey-tribe]

For what it’s worth, Americans always want me to really specifically say where I’m from, even if they have never heard of the place, and are most satisfied with my answer if I also give the distance to the next NATO base that has marines on it.

Americans also really specifically tell me what state they are from, what the chief export of that state is, and the distance from their home town to the state capital.

My point was that these “microagressions“ are only microagressions if you ask them as a member of the wrong ethnic group. There is something there that gibes me pause. But if you assume we are all members of one nationality, without any subcultural divisions, that is a microagression as well.

Identity politics claims that ethno-cultural divisions are fundamental to our identities, at least until a white person asks about them to understand a person’s identity better, at which point the ethno-cultural divisions become a socially constructed tool of oppression and marginalisation.

[argumate]

I can answer this: it’s polite to ask an African person where they are from, it’s a microaggression to ask an African American person where they are from.

It’s polite to ask where in China a Chinese person is from, it’s a microaggression to ask a Chinese American person where in China they are from, or (worse) where in Asia they are from, or (even worse) where in the world they are from.

What, you can’t tell if someone is Chinese or Chinese American just by looking?

[mitigatedchaos]

> in which Augmented Reality Zuckerbook™ simultaneously clears up nation of origin, allowing users to instantly disambiguate whether it is polite to ask where someone is from according to their appearance and Zuckerbook™ profile, while simultaneously showing the entire life history of every user hovering above their heads, making the entire line of questioning irrelevant

[the-grey-tribe]

But also your Chinese-American grandparents will tell you where you are from and tell you how important it is to not forget that and always get it right and point to it on the map. They also never want to go back because that place was a hellhole and they’re so glad they made it out of the cultural revolution alive.

[mitigatedchaos]

God Bless the United States of America, friend.

The effect wears off over generations, until it becomes a “well your great great grandfather was German” but you don’t speak a word of German and the most that’s left of unified German ethnic experiences in your life is some hollow copy of Oktoberfest.

(Right now I’m trying to figure out if East Asians are the next group that will be absorbed by America’s homogeneous Generic White Identity, if it will be some other group instead, or if some other path will happen.)