http://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/28/denver-area-arrest-neo-nazi-stabbing/
False flagging is for everyone! Being an idiot who, apparently, cuts himself with a knife he just bought, then makes up a completely disprovable story and wasting police time is this guy’s special thing though.
Yeah, I figured it was a good idea to hedge that previous post. I support prosecution in this case.
What is self-awareness?
Kinda funny how the reactions to white people concerned about demographic decline has changed from “it’s not real” last year to “it’s not real and by the way you will all die out and that’s a good thing”
The real irony: Race is not going to be destroyed by virtuous queer PoCs bravely fighting against the dark tides of white supremacy.
It’s going to be destroyed by genetic and tissue engineering technology, produced by a mostly (but not entirely!) white and Asian tech industry, fueled by markets in China and Korea, which is going to blow the lid off a number of things people very much want to keep the lid on, wiping out what we currently know as white nationalism along with it.
The entire idea of intergenerational ethnic justice will be undermined.
I just read the newest of the recurring Bleeding Hearts Libertarian “Say, it is really awkward that so many neo-confederates and Nazis are connected to the libertarian movement, isn’t it?“ article.
These articles are almost always really bad, the poster doesn’t even approach the connection, saying the standard “libertarians believe in cosmopolitanism“ line. I can see that some of them in the comments
(Protip: never read the comments) think the connection is the free speech thing, I will say that the free speech thing can annoy some leftists and there’s always a suspicion of hypocrisy there but it’s not the core connection leftists see between libertarians and fascists.
The best short version of that core reason is expressed ,“Libertarians become Alt-Right at the moment they realize that maintaining present property relations in the future will require genocide.” (And some shit about being able to exclude races/sexualities you don’t like) I can see people dance around it in the comments with the usual Charles Murray shit and implying that libertarianism is dead once the US becomes truly multiracial.
What bugs me is that him and so many of the bigwigs can’t even approach the refutation of the real connection, he says some “oh we’re not the same” shit but he totally fails to distance himself from the actual problem. It gets to the point that I’m not even sure they can conceive of it. If I was an asshole, I would say that this is why he’s not alt-right yet.
I would say that’s roughly the relation, although Libertarianism/Anarcho-Capitalism aren’t really the current property relations - they aspire to become the property relations.
And they don’t actually require genocide, but they would require closed borders or separatism. Libertarianism and Anarcho-Capitalism fundamentally require sufficient cultural belief or social power mass in order to be implemented.
Forbidden racepol writers have analyzed how long it takes immigrant groups to go from wanting higher state intervention than the local mean to wanting something closer to the local mean in America, and from what I recall, we’re talking generations. (Cultural, not genetic.)
So the hard economic rightist has two options - create or modify a state such that the population is majority economic rightist and stays majority economic rightist (strict borders), or abandon democracy.
Of course, I’m not a Leftist so I don’t see it in some of the same collective intergenerational ethnic justice terms about the evils of Capitalism. Collective intergenerational ethnic justice, after all, is the basis of many an “ethnic tension” random violence feud.
Fortunately I’m not a Libertarian, either. I want better government intervention.
The thing is, I don’t think what the racial nationalists want is racism as a terminal value. I think for most of them, there are other things that they want, and they see having an [ethnicity]-only country as the only practical or effective way to achieve these things.
This is why I believe most of them can eventually leave racial nationalism, if we work towards making the conditions right, which requires a bunch of stuff we should be doing anyway even if there were no racial nationalists.
@silver-and-ivory said: idk, ask the racial nationalists probably
This is sort-of what I have gathered by observing them.
Anonymous asked:
fierceawakening answered:
…someone who understood what i was trying to say, omfg
and also like… do people know what to Google? I do, but that’s because I’ve already been in SJ circles
I mean, like, I haven’t actually Googled “things that offend POC” (and wouldn’t) but I can easily imagine that it, or queries like it, might return exactly the sorts of result SJ types would not want un-woke-yet wypipo reading.
So it’s… my problem is it seems so much like advice from inside the circle. And… dude, we have a country to save. We need to be talking to people outside the circle, getting them to come in. And that means not setting up barriers like “don’t talk to me unless you are THIS woke”
Yeah, googling can produce some seriously bad results from time to time - like, right now, typing “did holocaust happen” into Google actually gives me a page titled … “Top 10 reasons why the holocaust didn’t happen” as its #1 search result … wtf.
SPLC did some time ago post a piece ( https://www.splcenter.org/20170118/google-and-miseducation-dylann-roof ) arguing that this sort of terrible google results to unfortunately-formulated queries was actually an important part of what got someone like racist mass murderer Dylann Roof drawn into violent white supremacism in the first place.
Which makes it … kinda odd to see that flippant “google it” type responses without any specifics (like, say, search phrases or date ranges or similar) are apparently still a thing.
This!
I wanted to say that too but I didn’t have the evidence ready to hand. Thank you!
I had a discussion with someone who, it turns out, was using “Whiteness” to mean “White supremacy” which last time I checked they maintained should have been understood effortlessly by others to mean that. It’s three pages into the Google results with “Whiteness definition Sociology” before that meaning is mentioned.
A link to eg. that Everyday Feminism or Ta-Nehisi Coates article that explains whatever is WAY more helpful and less likely to send an already irritated and uninformed person into the hands of people who violently disagree with Social Justice.
That, yes.
Honestly I really don’t like these weird… expanded definitions of “white supremacy” much either. I mean, I think it’s worthwhile to mention that white people who fancy ourselves nice and nonoppressive can hold views that are actually grounded in some weird racist shit.
But if whiteness itself is “white supremacy,” how the hell do we accurately describe what happened in Charlottesville, or the ideology those people openly endorsed?
> Everyday Feminism or Ta-Nehisi Coates
Not sure if that’s even productive. Maybe Bannon was right, and the whiteness=white-supremacist identity politics equivocation will make white people vote for white identitarians because there is no escape anyway.
EF feels like a parody of itself.
I am leery of any sentence that begins “Maybe Bannon was right,” but I honestly do think that the tendency to label oneself based on groups has become incredibly intense these days, and I’m not surprised to see white supremacists saying “this is about my white identity” these days.
What’s that saying? “The Devil can quote Scripture for his purposes?”
When Bannon called that professor on the phone, he said that identity politics will turn white people into white nationalists faster than it turns out PoC to vote Democrat.
We can model ethnopol as having two aspects - attack, or as basis for resource extraction, and defense, as basis to prevent outsider resource extraction. The formation of ethnic identity can be reinforced by either, and potentially reinforces both. So I agree - going heavy on idpol risks reawakening white racial consciousness in a defense framing (even if one thinks that isn’t morally valid/permissible), which can then be shifted to an attack framing, which is bad, because of reasons already expressed at length by many people.
White person and notorious Confederate General Joan of Arc,
Anonymous asked:
fierceawakening answered:
…someone who understood what i was trying to say, omfg
and also like… do people know what to Google? I do, but that’s because I’ve already been in SJ circles
I mean, like, I haven’t actually Googled “things that offend POC” (and wouldn’t) but I can easily imagine that it, or queries like it, might return exactly the sorts of result SJ types would not want un-woke-yet wypipo reading.
So it’s… my problem is it seems so much like advice from inside the circle. And… dude, we have a country to save. We need to be talking to people outside the circle, getting them to come in. And that means not setting up barriers like “don’t talk to me unless you are THIS woke”
Yeah, googling can produce some seriously bad results from time to time - like, right now, typing “did holocaust happen” into Google actually gives me a page titled … “Top 10 reasons why the holocaust didn’t happen” as its #1 search result … wtf.
SPLC did some time ago post a piece ( https://www.splcenter.org/20170118/google-and-miseducation-dylann-roof ) arguing that this sort of terrible google results to unfortunately-formulated queries was actually an important part of what got someone like racist mass murderer Dylann Roof drawn into violent white supremacism in the first place.
Which makes it … kinda odd to see that flippant “google it” type responses without any specifics (like, say, search phrases or date ranges or similar) are apparently still a thing.
This!
I wanted to say that too but I didn’t have the evidence ready to hand. Thank you!
I had a discussion with someone who, it turns out, was using “Whiteness” to mean “White supremacy” which last time I checked they maintained should have been understood effortlessly by others to mean that. It’s three pages into the Google results with “Whiteness definition Sociology” before that meaning is mentioned.
A link to eg. that Everyday Feminism or Ta-Nehisi Coates article that explains whatever is WAY more helpful and less likely to send an already irritated and uninformed person into the hands of people who violently disagree with Social Justice.
That, yes.
Honestly I really don’t like these weird… expanded definitions of “white supremacy” much either. I mean, I think it’s worthwhile to mention that white people who fancy ourselves nice and nonoppressive can hold views that are actually grounded in some weird racist shit.
But if whiteness itself is “white supremacy,” how the hell do we accurately describe what happened in Charlottesville, or the ideology those people openly endorsed?
> Everyday Feminism or Ta-Nehisi Coates
Not sure if that’s even productive. Maybe Bannon was right, and the whiteness=white-supremacist identity politics equivocation will make white people vote for white identitarians because there is no escape anyway.
EF feels like a parody of itself.
It’s difficult for me to see that kind of strategic equivocation as *not* bad-faith-motivated.
you know that facebook post that goes like ‘this is why white culture doesn’t exist and i can trace my heritage back to europe so i’m (specific country)-culture and not (white)-culture’? like i don’t want to shit on the author because its not that important, but it’s such a stupid approach? only an american would think that. white americans are not white irishmen, or white dutchmen, or whatever, they are white americans. white americans with dutch heritage are so different from white dutch people, so saying that white americans don’t have a white american culture but instead some sort of weird? european thing? its just bullshit. i mean, americans go to shopping malls and eat a lot of sugar and smile all the fucking time and are very enthusiastic? and care about some weird form of football for some reason. i’m not saying that the author can’t take pride in their heritage or can’t go to cultural parties or anything, i’m just saying that its not the same
You know why they do that, right?
@nihilsupernum wrote about what I call “#identity confusion“ (I should tag this more consistently) from the perspective of a Jew visiting Tasmania.
As a non-American, I see this kind of discourse coming from the US all the time: White people are a melting pot, white people have no culture, why are you talking about different shades of Mayonnaise?
Next thing you know, they apply the same framework to European countries, as if Spain and Denmark are the same because both are “white”.
Even “white“ Americans fall into this trap when they embark on their Grand Tour, a three-week trip to “Europe“ at age 21.
To me, this view of culture and ethnicity is quintessential American-Tourist-ism.
No terrible race politics but American race politics.
The whole “white people have no culture” thing is really just a weapon, though. It’s a noise, not a critique.
Let me be clear: this was an arbitrary decision. It was different than what I’d talked talked with our senior team about yesterday. I woke up this morning in a bad mood and decided to kick them off the Internet. I called our legal team and told them what we were going to do. I called our Trust & Safety team and had them stop the service. It was a decision I could make because I’m the CEO of a major Internet infrastructure company.
Having made that decision we now need to talk about why it is so dangerous. I’ll be posting something on our blog later today. Literally, I woke up in a bad mood and decided someone shouldn’t be allowed on the Internet. No one should have that power.
fascinating
Wow this is a breath of fresh air
This guy has managed to combine “we need to think ASAP about the kind of precedent we’re setting with decisions like this” and “but for the moment, let’s fuck over Nazis,” two sentiments that are seem like no-brainers but which you somehow don’t expect anyone with Newsworthy Opinions to be able to hold in their mind simultaneously without exploding
“The Daily Stormer site was bragging on their bulletin boards about how Cloudflare was one of them and that is the opposite of everything we believe. That was the tipping point for me.”
That actually seems like a reasonable boundary there. Claiming endorsement is not quite the same thing as just being hosted.
