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rocketverliden asked:

I realize the issue of Confederate statues is probably stale by now, but I have thought of a take that is probably you: replace Confederate statues with Union statues to remember the Civil War and take pride in the United States' historical military prowess

Nah, actually I was thinking that there are lots of other southerners we could choose from for replacement statues, specifically ones that weren’t all “rah rah slavery” and so on.  Some of them could be a lot more modern, others from before the war, and so on.  U.S. founding fathers from those states would be the ideal option for many of them - it reaffirms membership in the US, still has lots of historical weight, and so on.

They shouldn’t be more black than the proportional share of the population, though.

The goal here is to provide an alternative, positive regional identity for the white southerners that is not rooted in the racism inherent to the Confederacy.  (And the racism was inherent - at least one governor or whatever went on about how yeah, this was about slavery, and yeah, this was about “the inferiority of the negro race” and so on.)

History is big.  There is a lot that can be chosen from when we decide what to emphasize.  There are many people, with many stories.  With this, we could step sideways.

(The exception is generic confederate soldier statues, which should stay.  After all, the side that wins the war usually thinks it’s the ethical side, since most factions fighting a war think they’re the ethical side, so removing them just means legitimizing the idea of removing monuments to soldiers of losing sides in general.)

However, I don’t think the capital-L Left, in broad strokes, wants the southern whites to have a positive southern identity.  I think it wants to crush them in order to celebrate itself and its righteousness.

It doesn’t like the founding fathers, either.  It doesn’t like the United States of America.  

It could celebrate the power of the very ideals this nation’s founders espoused as the source of some of the very power that overturned the cruelty they allowed at this nation’s founding.  But most of those people were white men, so they won’t.

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connard-cynique asked:

" implicit threat of violence." So the will to kill anyone not willing to obey :/ Just because we want them to die doesn't mean we won't let them run away. Your solution implies a transition period and financial compensation where our kindness could be abused and our intentions could be watered down if not derailed. Your "plz stay away or we'll shoot" will eventually be mollified by the degenerate left.

Alright, again setting aside that this is trolly bullshit,

All states use the implicit threat of violence.

All states.  Also all Anarchists, so as to prevent the formation of new states.

That includes liberal states!  It includes Democracies!

Anyhow.

If you decide to actually massacre millions in the name of “white protection,” the Liberals get to kill you.

What you’ve just said implies a great confusion about the availability and power of political will.  

Extermination takes more political power than separatism.  If you have enough power to attempt extermination, then you have enough power to do separatism without it getting watered down.  If you have half the power required to enact extermination, you have enough power to do separatism without it getting watered down.

And if the idea that some people might change their minds and later invite others back in applies to separatism, then it also applies to extermination, assuming you don’t literally control all habitable areas of the world in order to attempt extermination completely.

It’s also about political power required per unit area, per political operative, number of political operatives, et cetera.

Making a white city-state requires the coordinated action of the population of a city-state.  So let’s call it somewhere between 1-7 million.  They all have to move into, and control, only a city-state’s worth of geographic area.  Most of them don’t have to be Party Militia members, so your real hardcore force would only need 50,000-500,000. to attempt this.

The entire process can be legitimized through the use of democratic means and ideology of national self-determination.  The desired area can attempt to secede through a vote, severely undermining the ability of democratic nations to respond.

On the other hand, a plot for extermination requires seizing control of the whole country, and maintaining that control.  For a country like Britain, with a population of 65 million, it’s going to need support from at least, let’s say, 25% of the population.  So around 15 million.  And that probably isn’t anywhere near enough unless you also have near-total control of the army.

One of these might actually be possible in the 21st century without the context of an invasion by a foreign power, the global collapse of oil reserves, the government of the United States of America declaring bankruptcy, and so on.  I’ll give you a hint - it’s not the one involving the mass murder of people who have, individually, not committed any crimes worse than a parking infraction.

And that’s disregarding the effect that CRISPR and similar technologies are going to have on race.

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But of course, this assumes White Nationalists who are not too delusional and who are capable of pulling off something reasonably well-organized with a realistic and achievable goal.  The kind of people that could somehow make White Singapore.

Which don’t really exist in numbers right now.

I’m hoping that Leftists will be restrained enough to prevent them from coming into existence.

Besides, you’re forgetting a key part of why the Left has been able to advance, socially.  A price paid in blood is a price paid in your nation’s will to survive.

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Anyhow, this discussion of China and racism got me thinking about how American companies talked about how only jobs that Americans didn’t want would be getting outsourced to China, and that it was nothing to worry about.

Which, like, implicit racism.  China isn’t going to climb the ladder of production and become a fierce competitor because?  What, are they just not cool enough?

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[elementarynationalism]

Honestly if the Indian government buying the bullet train off of the Japanese in the hopes it repeats its zero-accident track record in Delhi isn’t the most ingenious experiment in human biodiversity theory, please find me a better one.

Wait until Dinesh decides the bolts don’t really need to be screwed on as tight as Takashi told him and we’ll see if they match that record.

[mitigatedchaos]

Bro, m8, buddy, pal,

We don’t have a non-corrupt India with which to separate out biological factors, including environmental ones (such as poor nutrition), so “does India fuck up the bullet train” does not work as an experiment for your hypothesis.

[elementarynationalism]

You’re not dealing any more in the scientific method than I am. You hazard to bet the fact that bullet trains won’t work in India is down to something intangible like “corruption” and I’m suggesting it’s got more to do with human capital.

People who shit in the street and ride on the top of freight trains aren’t doing so because of poor nutrition, fam.

[mitigatedchaos]

But they might out of cultural factors.  (Also, poor nutrition, in the aggregate, could harm national IQ and mental health, among other things.)

Corruption is a norm, it can be removed (Singapore) by sufficiently-determined group of actors passing and enforcing the right laws.

The trick is that it’s based on expectations about others engaging in corruption and expectations of getting caught.  It also arises when it’s impossible to function without violating the rules.

When corruption rates are high, there is not only a social expectation that one will get away with it, but there’s also the effect of “but everyone else is doing it - why do they get to benefit, but not me?”  Additionally, there are networks of corruption that can be relied on.

Increasing the odds of getting caught and punished above a certain level eradicates the pro-corruption network effects.  (This could be achieved with a series of sting operations all unleashed at once as a form of shock therapy.)  At that point, corrupt officials become isolated individuals with far less expectation of getting away with it.

After a while, the next generation of bureaucrats rises in which the default is that corruption is almost unthinkable, and the relative rarity at that point makes it much less costly to police.

Under Communism, because it’s so at odds with reality, arresting the corrupt officials won’t work as well because they may have to lie and be corrupt to survive, normalizing corruption.  Similarly, some cultures with a strong external locus of control or other elements may be prone to corruption.

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Anonymous asked:

Are you so sure that the only people who want to live in a European ethnostate are losers? Do you really think successful people with anything to lose would have come out of the "racist" closet in today's environment? You're basically denying the existence of white flight, which is like saying the earth is flat or the greenhouse effect isn't real.

The political climate necessary to even establish such a thing suggests sufficient power mass to deal with most of the marginal sources that would turn people towards wanting a European ethnostate to begin with.

I don’t think what most of the people becoming identitarians right now really want is racial purity.  I just think that they think racial purity is the only way to get what they want.

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Anonymous asked:

Surely if you give the Leftists this one scalp they will stop eroding your liberties. Nonwhite immigrants will embrace the Rights of Englishmen, trust me!

Are you kidding?  The Leftists would be absolutely furious if I got away with this, seeing as it denies the universalism of their ideals.  They’d be furious even if it failed.  They’d still be furious if I also gave one to the Black Nationalists.  (They wouldn’t be furious if I gave one to Black Nationalists but not White Nationalists, but, eh.)

Anyhow, as for “nonwhite immigrants embracing the Rights of Englishmen” - that’s more a matter of social equilibrium forces and cultural replication, not genetics, IMO.  (Also banning cousin marriage WRT its social effects, but cousin marriage rates are fairly low in the US.)  

We need to slow immigration to get housing costs under control anyway.

And besides, if you get a little city-state of your own, then surely you can prove that the “White Way is the Right Way™” and that really it is about genetics and not culture.  Right?

I think it’ll fail, but I’m willing to make that bet.

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WHITEOUT : 4

[The story so far]

The broken-looking figure of Rain Bailey had propped herself up in a chair, out of the bed. Her black hair was a mess, and mostly covered her eyes. She looked at the floor, tiredly. Then, she looked up.

“So, the cops of this Hell world are here to interrogate me, huh. Little demons of order trying to keep the peace in a den of debauchery and sin. Or is it devils? I never could keep the two straight. Fuck you.”

I paused for a moment. “Why did you kill Daniel Blake?” I asked.

“These bodies we have,” she said, “they’re abominations. My body is an abomination. It shouldn’t exist. It makes me sick. So fucking sick, doing these twisted things. The pleasure of sin is an illusion. It hollows out your soul. When he decided not to pay me, I finally realized it was just too much. Seemed like as good a place to start as any. To start ridding this world of filth.”

Charlie gritted his teeth, then couldn’t hold his tongue back. “If you hate this shit so much, why did you buy an F3 body? Hell, if you hate it so much, why not just get a regular job?”

“I bought into the bullshit of this city. The philosphy of it. ‘We’re not degenerates’, they said, 'we have rules.’ But this city is rotten to the core with filth. The rules just make it better at hiding it. It’s sick with perversion. Look at you, pretending to be 'NeoHan’. NeoHan isn’t even a real thing. It’s a warped, funhouse mirror copy of the Chinese, who aren’t even that great anyway. A fake ethnicity. Were you Chinese? Were you ever even Chinese?”

Charlie gritted his teeth again. I looked at her.

“Did you kill Robert Cang?” I asked.

< She’s clearly delusional, > Huan’s voice said through the cybercomms in my head. < I don’t know if any of this will even be admissible as evidence. >

< Fucking pleasureboats. > Said Charlie. < Never trust an F3. >

“Yeah, I guess.” She said.

“Why?”

“I dunno. Looked at me funny.”

She was lying and she knew it, but why? A drop of blood ran down from her nostril, and she licked it. Then she coughed.

“Waaaaiit a minute,” she said with a half-smile. “Those reports on the forums weren’t bullshit after all.” She looked at me. “'Victor Fang’, huh? Jack, why are you pretending to be Chinese? Haha. Hahahaha. Hahahaha! The irony of it! The irony of it all! Camille sends her regards!”

The laughter quickly turned into a vicious coughing fit, and the cloud of AR health indicators around her began to turn red. The door soon opened and the nurse rushed in. I and the others moved out of the way.

“What happened?” Demanded the nurse as he rushed to her side.

“I don’t know,” I said. “She was laughing and then she went into a coughing fit.”

“Help me get her into the bed!” Said the nurse. She resisted, but we soon lifted her and pushed her back onto the bed.

The nurse gestured for me to get out of the way, and the bed took off out of the room and down the hallway at a fast walking pace, the nurse following along.

“'the fuck? I’ve never seen a Buster grenade do that.” Said Charlie.

“…Jack?” Said Huan.

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[rainy-days-are-over]

The thing that pisses me off most about this is I was the first to do it way way back but nobody likes it smh.

[ranma-official]

ironic how Tolkien despised Nazis and served during WW2 and then Nazis now randomly decided that orcs are a better metaphor for one of subhuman races

you piece of shit cretin

go eat a shotgun

[rendakuenthusiast]

Tolkien served during WWI, not WWII. Also he almost certainly would’ve politically supported drastically anti-Muslim and anti-foreigner political policies, what with him being a Medievalist Catholic conservative who wrote a bunch of texts to try to promote a very specifically English mythology.

[the-grey-tribe]

I actually recall that the SJW position on Tolkien circa 2010 was that LOTR was racist and the Easterlings are Arabians. With the right justification, you can get people to say pro-orc stuff.

[wirehead-wannabe]

I mean, I don’t think LOTR is, like, morally harmful or that Tolkien was a bad person or whatever but it seems pretty obviously true that the characters and setting are racist?

[mitigatedchaos]

This so-called “Orc Biodiversity Movement” is nothing but a cover for extreme raci–

*coughing*

Sorry, don’t know what came over me there.

Yes, the races in LOTR are literally biologically distinct, not just in healthspan and shape, but in behavior, and thus it could be argued as being quite racist, and having set a precedent for fantastic racism for the Standard Fantasy Setting thereafter.

The right-wingers, I think, care less and less what the left-wingers think, and have decided to go whole hog on their shtposting since they’ll be denounced either way.  Thus the above image, which is certainly not very fair at all.