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Anonymous asked:

Idea: take one of the big square states, carve it into itty bitty ethnostates (with easy entry but difficult exit), put a fence up on the state border, auction the TV rights to the highest bidder. Call it, idk, Warlords of Wyoming or something. No more (literal) impact on the rest of america from the fighting,but all the politics fans still get something to watch and cheer their team in. Everybody wins!

Now we’re bordering on NationStates.net territory, my dear Anon.

I, for one, back the Techno-Principality of Greater Rock Springs.

Their combination of Neoreactionary, Demi-Confucian, Muskian, and PAP principles, fused with a synthetic Sino-Japano-Anime-American metaculture and corporate backing practically assures their success against the bio-primitivists and the Communist Block.

What I really want to know is who @xhxhxhx is betting on.

Who are you betting on?  Answer in the comments below.

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[mitigatedchaos]

For the record, I’m fine with cutting off a chunk of land for the Black Nationalists, too. I expect it to go about as well as the White Nationalist land, but again, so long as no one goes there involuntarily, it isn’t my problem.

[avienbgwp]

I notice this one isn’t tagged “satire”, which seems to mean you actually think segregation is a valid solution. Never death though, that’s barbaric.

[mitigatedchaos]

Keeping people that hate each others’ guts physically apart from each other is in fact superior to killing them, since they might eventually chill out but killing is permanent. Additionally, if it turns out someone has been separated that should not have been, they can be moved again later, whereas no one can be unexecuted. It isn’t that I think killing is never justified, but you lot huffing a hero fantasy about “killing Nazis” are too eager to kill and too detached to actually notice when you’re attacking dudes who are not Nazis.

It’s already well-known that at least one dude who was never at and was in no way attached to the march or white nationalists got doxxed as a “Nazi”.

[avienbgwp]

I encourage being ABSOLUTELY certain before killing. I admire the “choose the reversible option first” philosophy, but segregation is not right. I’d think you’d have learned that from history.

[mitigatedchaos]

What exactly do you think prisons are, if not segregating people who have a proven track record of violent or damaging behavior from the rest of the population?

Are you a prison abolitionist by means of death penalty?

And why can’t people live in different places with different rules?  I actually support the creation of more city-states as a means of political preference satisfaction in general.

Also, let’s be honest here, Antifa sucks at figuring out who is and is not a Nazi and will indeed claim they are “absolutely certain” in the middle of killing people who are not and have never been Nazis.

At some point, you have to ask, is what you want to prevent people dying, or is what you want to punish those with what you deem to be evil beliefs?  Because “put all the Nazis on their own little island” accomplishes the former, but not the latter.

[avienbgwp]

Prisons are bad, but replacing them wholesale with the death penalty is only worse, way too many people arrested unjustly or for stupid things that shouldn’t be illegal.

Yes, antifa is generally bad at identifying actual opponents. You’ll notice I don’t tend to blanket state I support them, for that reason mainly.

I don’t know where you intend to set aside for all the different racists though. The places they want are already taken.

[mitigatedchaos]

I don’t need to move all the racists, just the most racist of the racists.  The most racist of the racists are among the most dangerous.

There are still a number of very lightly-developed areas in the world.  They had to truck people in from all over the country just to make that rally.  There isn’t going to be something where we need enough land for 100 million people.  I don’t think Whitopia would get even one million people.

Singapore is about 720km2 in size.  America is something like 9 million km2 in size.  So Whitopia and Blaktopia each get about one one thousandth of a percent of the land, each with a 10km corridor for sea access.  Doesn’t need to be great sea access either, just enough for a seaport.

(Also a wall would be built around each so that access could be controlled to prevent weird cross-border crime stuff.)

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discoursedrome asked:

It seems like the practical problem with having lots of little theme-park ethnostates is that polities can't really help warring on or playing dominance games with their neighbours. If they're part of a big liberal union they don't function very well as theme-park ethnostates, but if they're not, they'll probably be forced into war with their neighbours just because of realpolitik, tribalism, and resource scarcity issues.

It’s a good question.

In terms of breaking the whole US up into little theme park ethnostates it’s definitely worthy of greater consideration.

However, in the context of what likely brought this to your mind just now, the tiny white nationalist theme park ethnostate (and corresponding black nationalist theme park ethnostate) would be small enough that they’d be effectively protected from invasion by being right next to the United States, and would benefit from access to American markets and infrastructure, so it doesn’t need much realpolitik maneuvering.

For my purposes, the tiny WN ethnostate exists for three purposes:

• Remove WNs from political influence in the country (and the resulting media firestorms/streetfights/crimes/etc)
• Gather experimental information
• Increase viability of Exit as an option in polities where whites have become at-risk minorities (such as Zimbabwe redistributing farmland)

I don’t actually want to live in the Principality of Whitopia.  (In fact, I haven’t disclosed on this blog whether I would even be eligible.)  

The America I grew up in, and the America I believe in, is multiracial.

However, I also support the creation of more city-states as political experiments in general, even for philosophies that I think will fail.