Some people have noticed people who are actual Fascists and hate Jews saying “hah, the Left calls everyone a Nazi!” even when they fit the bill pretty well.
This is a form of camouflage enabled by calling too many people Nazis, and the self-aware ones know they’re doing it.
The thing is, I don’t think what the racial nationalists want is racism as a terminal value. I think for most of them, there are other things that they want, and they see having an [ethnicity]-only country as the only practical or effective way to achieve these things.
This is why I believe most of them can eventually leave racial nationalism, if we work towards making the conditions right, which requires a bunch of stuff we should be doing anyway even if there were no racial nationalists.
You know that Tumblr “Anti-Nazi” FAQ post that ends with “what if I thought I was punching a Nazi, but it was actually just a white dude with a shitty haircut?” “Run.”?
I said that was a terrible idea, but I didn’t expect it to get quite so literal.
Of course, in this environment, who knows if this is real, but this is basically what one would expect. The most punch-happy are going to be the least controlled about who they punch.
Didn’t we predict this would happen. They’re coming for your history and nothing is safe from being declared bad and worthy of destruction.
Yes, but there’s a difference.
This will never happen.
This pastor can go gently caress himself.
People are acting like they haven’t been saying this shit for years already.
This rhetoric is as old, if not older than, the Black Panther Party. Treating it like something new just means you’ve been ignorant up til now.
People are acting like white nationalists are just now popping back into existence, as if their dumb marches hadn’t been going on the entire time, and that this is an emergency and we must give social license to left-wing vigilantes to attack people outside of the law. Though in fairness, the confederate statues hadn’t gone anywhere for years, and now they’re being removed in many places.
I’d like to see you and rtrixie make a bet on this.
https://thinkprogress.org/german-town-pranked-neo-nazis/ I found this and thought of you, @funereal-disease. The empathetic way of fighting Nazis.
I LOVE THIS
If violence is the only means of resistance you can think of, you aren’t thinking very hard.
I admit, I chuckled at this idea.
Nazism is really not a healthy ideology to hold, the better to raise money to support exiting it.
Let me be clear: this was an arbitrary decision. It was different than what I’d talked talked with our senior team about yesterday. I woke up this morning in a bad mood and decided to kick them off the Internet. I called our legal team and told them what we were going to do. I called our Trust & Safety team and had them stop the service. It was a decision I could make because I’m the CEO of a major Internet infrastructure company.
Having made that decision we now need to talk about why it is so dangerous. I’ll be posting something on our blog later today. Literally, I woke up in a bad mood and decided someone shouldn’t be allowed on the Internet. No one should have that power.
fascinating
Wow this is a breath of fresh air
This guy has managed to combine “we need to think ASAP about the kind of precedent we’re setting with decisions like this” and “but for the moment, let’s fuck over Nazis,” two sentiments that are seem like no-brainers but which you somehow don’t expect anyone with Newsworthy Opinions to be able to hold in their mind simultaneously without exploding
“The Daily Stormer site was bragging on their bulletin boards about how Cloudflare was one of them and that is the opposite of everything we believe. That was the tipping point for me.”
That actually seems like a reasonable boundary there. Claiming endorsement is not quite the same thing as just being hosted.
What neither side of US politics wants to admit: the promotion of identity politics combined with the declining white super majority has led to turbo charged white identity politics. Since Dems catered for non-white identity politics, Trump and the GOP took hold of white identity politics.
Most countries that do not have a 70%+ super majority ethnic group have ethnicized
electoral politics.
Yes, my fear is that Lee Kuan Yew is right.
CHICAGO (CBS) — A Chicago pastor has asked the Emanuel administration to remove the names of two presidents who owned slaves from parks on the South Side, saying the city should not honor slave owners in black communities.
A bronze statue of George Washington on horseback stands at the corner of 51st and King Drive, at the northwest entrance to Washington Park.
Bishop James Dukes, pastor of Liberation Christian Center, said he wants the statue gone, and he wants George Washington’s name removed from the park.
“When I see that, I see a person who fought for the
liberties, and I see people that fought for the justice and freedom of
white America, because at that moment, we were still chattel slavery,
and was three-fifths of humans,” he said. “Some people out here ask me,
say ‘Well, you know, he taught his slaves to read.’ That’s almost sad;
the equivalent of someone who kidnaps you, that you gave them something
to eat.”
Dukes said, even though Washington was the nation’s first president and led the American army in the Revolutionary War, he’s no hero to the black community.
“There’s no way plausible that we would even think that they would erect a Malcolm X statue in Mount Greenwood, Lincoln Park, or any of that. Not that say Malcolm X was a bad guy; they just would not go for it,” he said. “Native Americans would not even think about putting up a Custer statue, because of the atrocities that he plagued upon Native Americans. And for them to say to us ‘just accept it’ is actually insulting.”
The pastor also said President Andrew Jackson’s name should be removed from nearby Jackson Park, because he also was a slave owner. He said he’s not necessarily asking the city rename the parks altogether. He suggested Washington Park could be named after former Mayor Harold Washington, and Jackson Park could be named after civil rights leader Rev. Jesse Jackson or singer Michael Jackson.
Dukes said he’s not trying to erase history. He said black people should be able to decide who is and is not honored in their communities.
“I think we should be able to identify and decide who we declare heroes in or communities, because we have to tell the stories to our children of who these persons are,” he said.
He said parks, statues, or other monuments honoring Presidents Washington and Jackson might be appropriate elsewhere, but not in black neighborhoods.
“In an African-American community, it’s a slap in the face and it’s a disgrace for them to honor someone who was a slave owner.
Dukes said he has sent letters to Mayor Rahm Emanuel and the Chicago Park District asking them to change the names of Washington and Jackson parks. He shared the letter on Facebook.
“I am feeling ambivalent that I would have to walk my child, attend a parade or enjoy a game of softball in a park that commemorates the memory of a slave owner,” he wrote. “Therefore, I call on the immediate removal of President George Washington and President Andrew Jackson names from the parks located on the southeast side of Chicago. They should not have the distinct honor of being held as heroes when they actively participated in the slave trade.”
Representatives for the mayor did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
A Chicago Park District spokeswoman pointed to the city’s formal process for renaming parks, which allows anyone to submit a request to the superintendent. The Park District board may vote on any such request after a 45-day public comment period.
We may see the emergence of phalanx formations at protests now.
Not good. The formation of armed melee groups is undermining the legitimacy of the state.
I agree with my mind, but my heart trilled at the idea of protesters rediscovering basic military tactics.
Soon, Antifa discovered the technology of the piss-bottle spear.
For the record, I’m fine with cutting off a chunk of land for the Black Nationalists, too. I expect it to go about as well as the White Nationalist land, but again, so long as no one goes there involuntarily, it isn’t my problem.
I notice this one isn’t tagged “satire”, which seems to mean you actually think segregation is a valid solution. Never death though, that’s barbaric.
Keeping people that hate each others’ guts physically apart from each other is in fact superior to killing them, since they might eventually chill out but killing is permanent. Additionally, if it turns out someone has been separated that should not have been, they can be moved again later, whereas no one can be unexecuted. It isn’t that I think killing is never justified, but you lot huffing a hero fantasy about “killing Nazis” are too eager to kill and too detached to actually notice when you’re attacking dudes who are not Nazis.
It’s already well-known that at least one dude who was never at and was in no way attached to the march or white nationalists got doxxed as a “Nazi”.
I encourage being ABSOLUTELY certain before killing. I admire the “choose the reversible option first” philosophy, but segregation is not right. I’d think you’d have learned that from history.
What exactly do you think prisons are, if not segregating people who have a proven track record of violent or damaging behavior from the rest of the population?
Are you a prison abolitionist by means of death penalty?
And why can’t people live in different places with different rules? I actually support the creation of more city-states as a means of political preference satisfaction in general.
Also, let’s be honest here, Antifa sucks at figuring out who is and is not a Nazi and will indeed claim they are “absolutely certain” in the middle of killing people who are not and have never been Nazis.
At some point, you have to ask, is what you want to prevent people dying, or is what you want to punish those with what you deem to be evil beliefs? Because “put all the Nazis on their own little island” accomplishes the former, but not the latter.
Prisons are bad, but replacing them wholesale with the death penalty is only worse, way too many people arrested unjustly or for stupid things that shouldn’t be illegal.
Yes, antifa is generally bad at identifying actual opponents. You’ll notice I don’t tend to blanket state I support them, for that reason mainly.
I don’t know where you intend to set aside for all the different racists though. The places they want are already taken.
I don’t need to move all the racists, just the most racist of the racists. The most racist of the racists are among the most dangerous.
There are still a number of very lightly-developed areas in the world. They had to truck people in from all over the country just to make that rally. There isn’t going to be something where we need enough land for 100 million people. I don’t think Whitopia would get even one million people.
Singapore is about 720km2 in size. America is something like 9 million km2 in size. So Whitopia and Blaktopia each get about one one thousandth of a percent of the land, each with a 10km corridor for sea access. Doesn’t need to be great sea access either, just enough for a seaport.
(Also a wall would be built around each so that access could be controlled to prevent weird cross-border crime stuff.)
